2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Valrifell]

I have a strong gut feeling-not based on a rational argument or indications-that Buttigieg will be the nominee in a shocking upset.

Probably because he's got a lot of momentum since his CNN townhall last Sunday and has generally been pretty good at carrying himself extremely well and drawing favorable comparisons to Obama.

[The Black Forrest]

Raised taxes on the proletariat to fund tax breaks for the 1%? Buggered American manufacturing under the pretence of protecting it?

Most received tax breaks.

Always good for a laugh. Sure I saw a small break. It basically allowed for an extra six pack. Though I did have to adjust deductions to make sure the proper amount was taken out from this "tax break"

The economy is doing great, unemployment is at record lows, there are more jobs than people to fill them. Your (and the lefts in general) pig-headed refusal to acknowledge this due to your hate-boners doesn't make the facts go away.

Economy will most likely tank. Most of the tax reduction benefits went to stock buy back. Not much investment going back into the companies. Some of the benefits mentioned were already in progress (company profit sharing for example). Salaries continue to stagnate and companies are laying people off. Though in numbers where it doesn't have to be reported.

Training isn't going on much. The newly rediscovered AI effort for example. Companies as usual are "playing" with it to say they have it. Not much of training effort going on. China is going to kick our ass in that area.

But hey MAGA. I thought he meant everybody. Just didn't think it had to be a certain income level. :|

[South Odreria]

Well yes, Buttigieg is the most Obamesque by a long shot.

[Len Hyet]

We don't want him to win in a landslide. That would mean 4 years of more investigations due to Democrats being butthurt.

#benghazi

#butheremails

Weren't you just telling someone to get new materiel?

[The Black Forrest]

#benghazi

#butheremails

Weren't you just telling someone to get new materiel?

You thinking donnie won't be able to mention them? Well? Maybe not Benghazi. He probably couldn't tell you where it is.

[Len Hyet]

Weren't you just telling someone to get new materiel?

You thinking donnie won't be able to mention them? Well? Maybe not Benghazi. He probably couldn't tell you where it is.

Are we holding each other to his standards now?

[Vassenor]

#benghazi

#butheremails

Weren't you just telling someone to get new materiel?

It's not my fault the hypocrisy from the conservative side is blatant as fuck there.

[Len Hyet]

Weren't you just telling someone to get new materiel?

It's not my fault the hypocrisy from the conservative side is blatant as fuck there.

Suck it up. Hold yourself to the higher standard and stop playing in the fucking mud.

Jesus I am tired of this bullshit.

"Waaah but the right/left/orange man/old woman said mean things to me!!!!"

Okay, and? Be the better person for God's sake. Or wallow in the shit with them if you really want to, but don't be surprised when the smell doesn't wash off so easily.

[The Black Forrest]

You thinking donnie won't be able to mention them? Well? Maybe not Benghazi. He probably couldn't tell you where it is.

Are we holding each other to his standards now?

He did set a new low. Not sure we will return from it. Especially if he is re-elected.

[Telconi]

Weren't you just telling someone to get new materiel?

It's not my fault the hypocrisy from the conservative side is blatant as fuck there.

When did you become a conservative?

[Len Hyet]

Are we holding each other to his standards now?

He did set a new low. Not sure we will return from it. Especially if he is re-elected.

It starts here. Right here, right now. You can either get in the gutter with the pigs, or you can join the civilized people in turning your noses up.

And I swear to God almighty if I hear one more person say "but he did the mean things and he got elected!!!" I'm going to lose my shit. Yes. He lowered the level of discourse in this country. A race to the bottom helps nobody. You want a Blue Wave in 2020? Act like adults goddamn it.

[The Black Forrest]

He did set a new low. Not sure we will return from it. Especially if he is re-elected.

It starts here. Right here, right now. You can either get in the gutter with the pigs, or you can join the civilized people in turning your noses up.

And I swear to God almighty if I hear one more person say "but he did the mean things and he got elected!!!" I'm going to lose my shit. Yes. He lowered the level of discourse in this country. A race to the bottom helps nobody. You want a Blue Wave in 2020? Act like adults goddamn it.

I think you are assuming people will want a discussion and validate claims, supporters and detractors.

People seem to be more interested in verbal memes then details.

What is MAGA and how will it be done? Blah blah blah.....

[Shrillland]

He did set a new low. Not sure we will return from it. Especially if he is re-elected.

It starts here. Right here, right now. You can either get in the gutter with the pigs, or you can join the civilized people in turning your noses up.

And I swear to God almighty if I hear one more person say "but he did the mean things and he got elected!!!" I'm going to lose my shit. Yes. He lowered the level of discourse in this country. A race to the bottom helps nobody. You want a Blue Wave in 2020? Act like adults goddamn it.

That alone won't improve things. A Democratic victory won't improve things. As I often say, Trump is merely a symptom of the Western sickness, not the sickness itself.

[Len Hyet]

It starts here. Right here, right now. You can either get in the gutter with the pigs, or you can join the civilized people in turning your noses up.

And I swear to God almighty if I hear one more person say "but he did the mean things and he got elected!!!" I'm going to lose my shit. Yes. He lowered the level of discourse in this country. A race to the bottom helps nobody. You want a Blue Wave in 2020? Act like adults goddamn it.

I think you are assuming people will want a discussion and validate claims, supporters and detractors.

People seem to be more interested in verbal memes then details.

What is MAGA and how will it be done? Blah blah blah.....

"but he did the mean things and he got elected!!!"

Yes and people are sheep. Good job for noticing. Welcome to the "holy shit people are goddamn sheep" club, you're member number 7 billion.

This ain't the election circuit. You're not appealing to the masses. You are not running for office. You do not benefit from memes, or verbal trickery, or what have you. This is a debate forum. We can either act like it, or become poo flinging monkeys. The choice is yours, and I don't mean that sarcastically. The choice is yours, and yours alone. And I mean that to everyone who reads this, not just Black Forest. A website's culture is not a reflection of its mod team, and it is not a reflection of its ownership, and it is certainly not a reflection of its "founding ideals" or whatever tripe Facebook likes to spout off about. It is a reflection of its members. People determine culture. Period, end of. So if you want a culture of people who can be assed to listen to one another and have a productive discussion? Start listening and having productive discussions. There will always be trolls, and memers, and shitposters, and other assorted denizens of the internet. They never go away. But it is up to you if you want to behave like them or not.

[Telconi]

It starts here. Right here, right now. You can either get in the gutter with the pigs, or you can join the civilized people in turning your noses up.

And I swear to God almighty if I hear one more person say "but he did the mean things and he got elected!!!" I'm going to lose my shit. Yes. He lowered the level of discourse in this country. A race to the bottom helps nobody. You want a Blue Wave in 2020? Act like adults goddamn it.

That alone won't improve things. A Democratic victory won't improve things. As I often say, Trump is merely a symptom of the Western sickness, not the sickness itself.

This tbh.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

Suck it up. Hold yourself to the higher standard and stop playing in the fucking mud.

Jesus I am tired of this bullshit.

"Waaah but the right/left/orange man/old woman said mean things to me!!!!"

Okay, and? Be the better person for God's sake. Or wallow in the shit with them if you really want to, but don't be surprised when the smell doesn't wash off so easily.

Here here!

Some of us Americans expect our President to be above the reality-show nonsense.

Don't roll around in the dirt with "The Donald."

[Valrifell]

#benghazi

#butheremails

Weren't you just telling someone to get new materiel?

Our flags aren't even similar >.>

[Valrifell]

It's not my fault the hypocrisy from the conservative side is blatant as fuck there.

Suck it up. Hold yourself to the higher standard and stop playing in the fucking mud.

Jesus I am tired of this bullshit.

"Waaah but the right/left/orange man/old woman said mean things to me!!!!"

Okay, and? Be the better person for God's sake. Or wallow in the shit with them if you really want to, but don't be surprised when the smell doesn't wash off so easily.

The irony. Is palpable.

Telling people to elevate discourse by insulting them and slinging mud, bravo, I didn't think it was possible to lack that much self-awareness.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This is being more used as a hypothetical to gauge stuff, but if I ran for President in 2020 and somehow was legally able to, assume I had enough experience for you, who here would vote for me/support me, over all current and current candidates who have expressed interest? I'd like to know why you'd support me as well, and why you'd support certain others more than me if they of the current roster chose to run.

I want to use this more as to gauge something than to actually have yall's support or whatever, considering I can't run until 2036, so treat this as an experiment, of how I-and NSG'ers-stack up against the current roster, in NSG's mind.

Hard pass. No offense intended of course, but you mix some of the worst parts of the right (religious conservatism, pro-life etc) with the most boring parts of the left.

[Shrillland]

This is being more used as a hypothetical to gauge stuff, but if I ran for President in 2020 and somehow was legally able to, assume I had enough experience for you, who here would vote for me/support me, over all current and current candidates who have expressed interest? I'd like to know why you'd support me as well, and why you'd support certain others more than me if they of the current roster chose to run.

I want to use this more as to gauge something than to actually have yall's support or whatever, considering I can't run until 2036, so treat this as an experiment, of how I-and NSG'ers-stack up against the current roster, in NSG's mind.

I'm afraid I'd still be standing behind Harris myself. Your policies are mostly excellent, but I can't stand behind someone so devoutly anti-choice.

[Uiiop]

This is being more used as a hypothetical to gauge stuff, but if I ran for President in 2020 and somehow was legally able to, assume I had enough experience for you, who here would vote for me/support me, over all current and current candidates who have expressed interest? I'd like to know why you'd support me as well, and why you'd support certain others more than me if they of the current roster chose to run.

I want to use this more as to gauge something than to actually have yall's support or whatever, considering I can't run until 2036, so treat this as an experiment, of how I-and NSG'ers-stack up against the current roster, in NSG's mind.

You wouldn't be my favorite(like others said our abortion stance tanks it. Any chance you wouldn't go for Evictionism? ) by a long shot but you would be on the tentative list on "People i'll be happy to vote for."

[Northern Davincia]

It meaning little to socialists is cause for concern. The same can be said for all failed attempts at socialism.

"It's concerning that it's inspiring"

"It's concerning that it means little"

I wish you'd make up your mind tbh

Hence "inspiring to some Americans" rather than "inspiring to socialists."

[Len Hyet]

Suck it up. Hold yourself to the higher standard and stop playing in the fucking mud.

Jesus I am tired of this bullshit.

"Waaah but the right/left/orange man/old woman said mean things to me!!!!"

Okay, and? Be the better person for God's sake. Or wallow in the shit with them if you really want to, but don't be surprised when the smell doesn't wash off so easily.

The irony. Is palpable.

Telling people to elevate discourse by insulting them and slinging mud, bravo, I didn't think it was possible to lack that much self-awareness.

Prove me wrong. Be better.

[South Odreria]

This is being more used as a hypothetical to gauge stuff, but if I ran for President in 2020 and somehow was legally able to, assume I had enough experience for you, who here would vote for me/support me, over all current and current candidates who have expressed interest? I'd like to know why you'd support me as well, and why you'd support certain others more than me if they of the current roster chose to run.

I want to use this more as to gauge something than to actually have yall's support or whatever, considering I can't run until 2036, so treat this as an experiment, of how I-and NSG'ers-stack up against the current roster, in NSG's mind.

You would be near the top in my mind, except for your foreign policy which, no offense intended, seems kinda half-baked.

[Cannot think of a name]

The irony. Is palpable.

Telling people to elevate discourse by insulting them and slinging mud, bravo, I didn't think it was possible to lack that much self-awareness.

Prove me wrong. Be better.

No one needs your class to graduate.