2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Impaled Nazarene]

Now I look like an asshole because you didn't include your edit in the original post.

I made my edit before you made your post.

[Shrillland]

But how

"But he rebuilt South Bend"
At the expense of the minority populations.

A black Police Chief revealed racism and corruption in the SBPD. Buttigieg threw him under the bus.

Allows gentrification to go ham across the city.

Has done nothing to meaningfully help the black communities in South Bend.

Actually thinks he can use his sexuality to make people think he's not bigoted. Gay people can't be racist you know?

Source: Living in South Bend, Working with politicians in South Bend, being a campaign worker in South Bend, having good friends who have been harmed by Buttigieg's policies.

Well, he wasn't on my top list anyway.

[Genivaria]

But why

Because he's a racist.

This is a sad example of the left eating itself.

[Valrifell]

Now I look like an asshole because you didn't include your edit in the original post.

I made my edit before you made your post.

I'm writing on mobile, I meant to whine that you ninja'd me and not that you retroactively did me dirty.

[San Lumen]

"But he rebuilt South Bend"
At the expense of the minority populations.

A black Police Chief revealed racism and corruption in the SBPD. Buttigieg threw him under the bus.

Allows gentrification to go ham across the city.

Has done nothing to meaningfully help the black communities in South Bend.

Actually thinks he can use his sexuality to make people think he's not bigoted. Gay people can't be racist you know?

Source: Living in South Bend, Working with politicians in South Bend, being a campaign worker in South Bend, having good friends who have been harmed by Buttigieg's policies.

Well, he wasn't on my top list anyway.

Nor was he mine. I just hope the nominee isnt Sanders and what the heck is Biden waiting for?

[Valrifell]

Well, he wasn't on my top list anyway.

Nor was he mine. I just hope the nominee isnt Sanders and what the heck is Biden waiting for?

Biden isn't a good candidate, accept this and move on with your life.

[Shrillland]

Because he's a racist.

This is a sad example of the left eating itself.

Yeah, but he actually lives in South Bend and has seen Buttigieg's policies firsthand. You can't really fault him for blaming Buttigieg for things he actually did.

[Dresderstan]

Nor was he mine. I just hope the nominee isnt Sanders and what the heck is Biden waiting for?

Biden isn't a good candidate, accept this and move on with your life.

Then PA will go red by a few thousand votes again. Guess we'll never get a local from the state as President.

[Valrifell]

This is a sad example of the left eating itself.

Yeah, but he actually lives in South Bend and has seen Buttigieg's policies firsthand. You can't really fault him for blaming Buttigieg for things he actually did.

Every politician has detractors and critics.

[Impaled Nazarene]

I made my edit before you made your post.

I'm writing on mobile, I meant to whine that you ninja'd me and not that you retroactively did me dirty.

My apologies for being aggressive then.

This is a sad example of the left eating itself.

Yeah, but he actually lives in South Bend and has seen Buttigieg's policies firsthand. You can't really fault him for blaming Buttigieg for things he actually did.

Holy shit people are acknowledging my experiences. Better call moderation CAUSE THIS AIN'T PG-13!!!

This is a sad example of the left eating itself.

Slightly progressive Neo-Liberalism is hardly left.

Every politician has detractors and critics.

How many of them used to heartily support said politician until they found out the politician was a bad person?

[San Lumen]

Biden isn't a good candidate, accept this and move on with your life.

Then PA will go red by a few thousand votes again. Guess we'll never get a local from the state as President.

I doubt it. If whoever the Democratic candidate is does Obama like numbers in the Poconos, southwestern Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh they will carry the state.

Every vote matters.

This coming from the same person who called statewide elections in their state last year unfair because the incumbent governor got more votes despite winning less land area and called California gerrymandered because Southern California and the Bay area has most the congressional districts and not understanding the concept of population density.

[Shrillland]

Then PA will go red by a few thousand votes again. Guess we'll never get a local from the state as President.

I doubt it. If whoever the Democratic candidate is does Obama like numbers in the Poconos, southwestern Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh they will carry the state.

Every vote matters.

This coming from the same person who called statewide elections in their state last year unfair because the incumbent governor got more votes despite winning less land area and called California gerrymandered because Southern California and the Bay area has most the congressional districts and not understanding the concept of population density.

Yes, you said that already. No disrespect, but you do need to tone it down sometimes.

[Valrifell]

Every politician has detractors and critics.

How many of them used to heartily support said politician until they found out the politician was a bad person?

Probably quite a few. You go in, fall in love, then research. Then oh no.

[Bienenhalde]

This is a sad example of the left eating itself.

Yeah, but he actually lives in South Bend and has seen Buttigieg's policies firsthand. You can't really fault him for blaming Buttigieg for things he actually did.

He is an anarchist, though, so can we really trust he judgement? I bet he thinks that political office holder who doesn't support ultra-left libertarian views is literally Hitler.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Yeah, but he actually lives in South Bend and has seen Buttigieg's policies firsthand. You can't really fault him for blaming Buttigieg for things he actually did.

He is an anarchist, though, so can we really trust he judgement? I bet he thinks that political office holder who doesn't support ultra-left libertarian views is literally Hitler.

I also have a degree in political science, was secretary of the Political Science club at uni which requires you to be 100% unbiased. I also registered dozens of Hoosiers to vote. Suffice to say: My political views are not a concern. Besides I wasn't always an Anarchist.

[Zurkerx]

I find it quite amazing how many people, most of them conservatives but some liberals too, are pushing this narrative that only a centrist Democrat has a chance against Trump and that the further "left" candidates would fail. When given the choice between Republican or Republican Lite, voters will choose the Republican, or just stay home.

Hillary Clinton didn't lose in her "firewall" states because she was too far left. Quite the opposite. She lost because she didn't offer the people anything of substance. The people who are rationing medicine and checking the status of a GoFundMe hoping they'll raise enough money to literally avoid dying didn't vote for Hillary because she thought Obamacare was enough and that single payer isn't necessary. Because those people realize neither Trump nor Clinton would do anything about the travesty of the American health care system. She lost because the people who lost their jobs to outsourcing realized she wasn't going to do a damn thing about it while Trump played populist - and although Trump's a liar and those people working for employers like Carrier had their jobs outsourced anyway, Hillary didn't even bother with the issue, she didn't even go to Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. She lost because people who remember their homes being foreclosed upon found out she gave paid speeches absolving the vile usurers of the mortgage industry and blamed the Great Recession on the victims of predatory lending. She lost because she supported the endless wars in countries that never attacked us cost thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars, while a great majority of Americans no longer want to spill blood and treasure in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, and Libya. Don't forget Libya! She was convinced it was a great accomplishment to have overthrown Gaddafi. Now Libya is in a state of perpetual civil war, Islamist extremists operate with impunity, and slaves are sold in open markets.

If the nominee in 2020 makes a real commitment to single payer, a living wage, rebuilding infrastructure, creating renewable energy, absolving student loan debt, free college, and ending the wars, that nominee will win. If the nominee is a neoliberal centrist who thinks "America is already great", then say hello to 4 more years of spray tan stains on the White House furniture.

You do realize that your personal disagreements with the substance of what Clinton offered is literally the opposite of Clinton offering no substance?

I understand that the point of this canard is politics, and that politically you're incentivized to deploy hyperbole, but there's a point at which blatant dishonesty runs counter to the premise of offering ethical politics.

But you do have to give him credit for being right on the fact Clinton's arrogance did show and her campaign was indeed bland. However, the perception that she lost because she wasn't left-wing enough is what I think we both can agree on (?).

[Shrillland]

And this is why people don't like Pelosi, we just keep her around because we have no one else to lead: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-warns-democrats-liberal-menace-ahead-2020-vote-211900281.html

[Washington Resistance Army]

And this is why people don't like Pelosi, we just keep her around because we have no one else to lead: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-warns-democrats-liberal-menace-ahead-2020-vote-211900281.html

And here I thought the 2015-2016 GOP was a shitshow, yeesh...

[Zurkerx]

And this is why people don't like Pelosi, we just keep her around because we have no one else to lead: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-warns-democrats-liberal-menace-ahead-2020-vote-211900281.html

Well, she's right on the front that some of these Progressives think their districts must somehow represent all of America. Of course, she shouldn't be speaker as the Democrats need young faces. Tim Ryan would have been ideal: not prone to gaffes and I'm sure he would have more control.

[Shrillland]

And this is why people don't like Pelosi, we just keep her around because we have no one else to lead: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-warns-democrats-liberal-menace-ahead-2020-vote-211900281.html

Well, she's right on the front that some of these Progressives think their districts must somehow represent all of America. Of course, she shouldn't be speaker as the Democrats need young faces. Tim Ryan would have been ideal: not prone to gaffes and I'm sure he would have more control.

Wouldn't have been a bad choice, but I'd personally select Cheri Bustos myself. Now that she leads the DCCC, she's got a foothold into the leadership. She's more centrist, but I think she can bring the party together and not alienate the Progressive wing.

[Zurkerx]

Oh, here's also what the candidates have raised, spent, have on hands: All Broken Down For You

Oh grateful Eternal Lotharia, please link this in the OP so we can track and scrutinize everyone's campaigns, por favor.

*leaves plate of cookies with chocolate milk.

[Zurkerx]

Well, she's right on the front that some of these Progressives think their districts must somehow represent all of America. Of course, she shouldn't be speaker as the Democrats need young faces. Tim Ryan would have been ideal: not prone to gaffes and I'm sure he would have more control.

Wouldn't have been a bad choice, but I'd personally select Cheri Bustos myself. Now that she leads the DCCC, she's got a foothold into the leadership. She's more centrist, but I think she can bring the party together and not alienate the Progressive wing.

Hmm, don't know much about her. She could be a good choice, though I think with Ryan, who's a bit more Progressive, could keep the Democrats united better. However, I think both would be better than Pelosi, who's only really advantage is her fundraising capabilities.

[Hediacrana]

And this is why people don't like Pelosi, we just keep her around because we have no one else to lead: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-warns-democrats-liberal-menace-ahead-2020-vote-211900281.html

First Obama, now her.

She is also trying to make sure that the Israeli government isn't criticized too harshly, in a time that finally, at least someof the Dems are at long last starting to move beyond blind support for whatever crimes against humanity it commits. That alone makes me want Sanders to win - at least he's not scared to distinguish between antisemitism and criticizing a far right government.

[Tarsonis]

And this is why people don't like Pelosi, we just keep her around because we have no one else to lead: https://www.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-warns-democrats-liberal-menace-ahead-2020-vote-211900281.html

First Obama, now her.

She is also trying to make sure that the Israeli government isn't criticized too harshly, in a time that finally, at least someof the Dems are at long last starting to move beyond blind support for whatever crimes against humanity it commits. That alone makes me want Sanders to win - at least he's not scared to distinguish between antisemitism and criticizing a far right government.

Yes. Eat yourself Democratic Party.

[G-Tech Corporation]

First Obama, now her.

She is also trying to make sure that the Israeli government isn't criticized too harshly, in a time that finally, at least someof the Dems are at long last starting to move beyond blind support for whatever crimes against humanity it commits. That alone makes me want Sanders to win - at least he's not scared to distinguish between antisemitism and criticizing a far right government.

Yes. Eat yourself Democratic Party.

+1

I'm looking forward to when the competition actually heats up. The knives are going to come out, and it is going to be glorious.