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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:10 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And I live in a corrupt, deep red state.
Sounds like we both should want to get rid of the EC and FPTP.

Or just switch residences. If the partisan leaning of y'all's states' is not in your favor, anyway.


I have non-political reasons for living where I do that are more important.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:11 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That is nonsense. Every vote matters in every election. Saying my vote doesnt matter is how awful people get elected.

if you dont vote you have no right to complain.

No it really fucking doesn't matter, one vote isn't gonna change a thing.

I have a right to free speech in my country, I don't give a flying fuck if I vote or not, who are you to dictate me on speaking my mind?


Why bother voting then? It doesn't come down to one vote so why does it matter? Why have elections at all?

This coming from the same person who called statewide elections in their state last year unfair because the incumbent governor got more votes despite winning less land area and called California gerrymandered because Southern California and the Bay area has most the congressional districts and not understanding the concept of population density.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:12 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Or just switch residences. If the partisan leaning of y'all's states' is not in your favor, anyway.


I have non-political reasons for living where I do that are more important.

I just fucking LIKE living in San Antonio, Tx. :D

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:12 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
It doesnt matter where you are every vote makes a difference.


He lives in the same state I do, Confusion Illinois, and we not only have our extremely dominant Democratic Party but hopeless Gerrymandering on top of that. I still vote, of course, but living in such a deep red part of the state, do kind of understand why he'd be so disillusioned.


Haha, I liked this. However, I actually live in the epicenter of Democratic politics, which is to say Chicago. My office is on the same street as city hall. My apartment is also nearby.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:13 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It doesnt matter where you are every vote makes a difference.


He lives in the same state I do, Confusion Illinois, and we not only have our extremely dominant Democratic Party but hopeless Gerrymandering on top of that. I still vote, of course, but living in such a deep red part of the state, do kind of understand why he'd be so disillusioned.

I grew up in a rural red part of Illinois. The general feeling is disillusionment with politics in the state. The idea is that liberals in Chicago who control the state not only do not care about them, but loath them.

Glad I left. Still feel bad for rural Illinois though.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Or just switch residences.

Why do you want me to live in California? What did I do to you?


I live in Illinois.

I am from California originally, however.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
He lives in the same state I do, Confusion Illinois, and we not only have our extremely dominant Democratic Party but hopeless Gerrymandering on top of that. I still vote, of course, but living in such a deep red part of the state, do kind of understand why he'd be so disillusioned.

I grew up in a rural red part of Illinois. The general feeling is disillusionment with politics in the state. The idea is that liberals in Chicago who control the state not only do not care about them, but loath them.

Glad I left. Still feel bad for rural Illinois though.


Cardinals or Cubs?
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:15 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I grew up in a rural red part of Illinois. The general feeling is disillusionment with politics in the state. The idea is that liberals in Chicago who control the state not only do not care about them, but loath them.

Glad I left. Still feel bad for rural Illinois though.


Cardinals or Cubs?

NGL I have like 0 interests in sports, but I kind of got into the Cubs for a bit after they won the world series and I read up on the team history.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:17 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
He lives in the same state I do, Confusion Illinois, and we not only have our extremely dominant Democratic Party but hopeless Gerrymandering on top of that. I still vote, of course, but living in such a deep red part of the state, do kind of understand why he'd be so disillusioned.

I grew up in a rural red part of Illinois. The general feeling is disillusionment with politics in the state. The idea is that liberals in Chicago who control the state not only do not care about them, but loath them.

Glad I left. Still feel bad for rural Illinois though.


This is why I make Soviet Illinois jokes. Even we Downstate Lefties hold nothing but bitterness and contempt towards the dinosaurs that run the party up North and don't listen to anybody but themselves, though to be fair, Cook County alone has 55% of the population, so they don't have to listen to anybody else.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:18 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I grew up in a rural red part of Illinois. The general feeling is disillusionment with politics in the state. The idea is that liberals in Chicago who control the state not only do not care about them, but loath them.

Glad I left. Still feel bad for rural Illinois though.


This is why I make Soviet Illinois jokes. Even we Downstate Lefties hold nothing but bitterness and contempt towards the dinosaurs that run the party up North and don't listen to anybody but themselves, though to be fair, Cook County alone has 55% of the population, so they don't have to listen to anybody else.


Springfield is basically the personal property of the Pritzker, Madigan, and Daley families.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:19 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I grew up in a rural red part of Illinois. The general feeling is disillusionment with politics in the state. The idea is that liberals in Chicago who control the state not only do not care about them, but loath them.

Glad I left. Still feel bad for rural Illinois though.


This is why I make Soviet Illinois jokes. Even we Downstate Lefties hold nothing but bitterness and contempt towards the dinosaurs that run the party up North and don't listen to anybody but themselves, though to be fair, Cook County alone has 55% of the population, so they don't have to listen to anybody else.

Actually its about 40 percent according to the 2010 census. Chicagoland as a whole is about 60

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Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:21 pm

I remember everyone dreaming of the Chicago area separating. The remaining part of the state would be like another Missouri or Indiana. Most of my old town would be ecstatic.

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Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:23 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I grew up in a rural red part of Illinois. The general feeling is disillusionment with politics in the state. The idea is that liberals in Chicago who control the state not only do not care about them, but loath them.

Glad I left. Still feel bad for rural Illinois though.


This is why I make Soviet Illinois jokes. Even we Downstate Lefties hold nothing but bitterness and contempt towards the dinosaurs that run the party up North and don't listen to anybody but themselves, though to be fair, Cook County alone has 55% of the population, so they don't have to listen to anybody else.

Would you rather live in a Chicagoless Illinois or an independent state of Chicagoland?

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:24 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
This is why I make Soviet Illinois jokes. Even we Downstate Lefties hold nothing but bitterness and contempt towards the dinosaurs that run the party up North and don't listen to anybody but themselves, though to be fair, Cook County alone has 55% of the population, so they don't have to listen to anybody else.

Would you rather live in a Chicagoless Illinois or an independent state of Chicagoland?


I'd rather get rid of the old dinosaurs and bring new blood in charge, they've already started up there. As it is, I plan to move to Southwest Georgia in a couple of years anyway, so it doesn't matter to me.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:24 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Illinois isn't just Chicago's justification to be seen as bigger than it is? :p


What are you talking about? Chicago is massive. It's often undersold by popular culture just how huge it is. It would have likely overtaken New York had deindustrialization not happened.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:24 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Illinois isn't just Chicago's justification to be seen as bigger than it is? :p

Illinois is a red state held hostage by a corrupt cabal of gangsters.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:26 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Illinois isn't just Chicago's justification to be seen as bigger than it is? :p

Illinois is a red state held hostage by a corrupt cabal of gangsters.

Yeah how dare everyone's vote count equally

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Illinois isn't just Chicago's justification to be seen as bigger than it is? :p


Chicago almost wasn't part of Illinois at all. It was almost part of Wisconsin when the Illinois Territory was carved up, but the border was moved further north so the I&M Canal would be under a single state's jurisdiction rather than two states with divergent interests.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:30 pm

I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:31 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.

Trump's not winning in a landslide.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:31 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.


Ifs going to be such a landslide no need for you to vote. Tell everyone you know there is no need to cast a ballot.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:31 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
This is why I make Soviet Illinois jokes. Even we Downstate Lefties hold nothing but bitterness and contempt towards the dinosaurs that run the party up North and don't listen to anybody but themselves, though to be fair, Cook County alone has 55% of the population, so they don't have to listen to anybody else.

Would you rather live in a Chicagoless Illinois or an independent state of Chicagoland?


Middle of the road. I think Illinois should be split, but the split shouldn't be Chicagoland/rest of the state. I think it should be Northern Illinois/Southern Illinois.

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Southern Illinois keeps the name Illinois because is where the actual Illinois Indians lived and Northern Illinois can be renamed Wabash, or something.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:32 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Would you rather live in a Chicagoless Illinois or an independent state of Chicagoland?


Middle of the road. I think Illinois should be split, but the split shouldn't be Chicagoland/rest of the state. I think it should be Northern Illinois/Southern Illinois.

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Southern Illinois keeps the name Illinois because is where the actual Illinois Indians lived and Northern Illinois can be renamed Wabash, or something.

The state legislature would never approve it.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:33 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Illinois isn't just Chicago's justification to be seen as bigger than it is? :p


Chicago almost wasn't part of Illinois at all. It was almost part of Wisconsin when the Illinois Territory was carved up, but the border was moved further north so the I&M Canal would be under a single state's jurisdiction rather than two states with divergent interests.


I would rather be part of Indiana than Wisconsin. Yuck.

Which reminds me, I read an alternate history awhile back and a small tidbit of it was that Illinois and Indiana were actually just one big state.

I wonder how that would work out if Illinois and Indiana merged. It'd be a heck of a swing state for sure.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Middle of the road. I think Illinois should be split, but the split shouldn't be Chicagoland/rest of the state. I think it should be Northern Illinois/Southern Illinois.

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Southern Illinois keeps the name Illinois because is where the actual Illinois Indians lived and Northern Illinois can be renamed Wabash, or something.

The state legislature would never approve it.


Obviously not.
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