MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Northern Davincia]

Go ahead and prove that obstruction of justice took place.

You didn't read the censored Mueller report?

What was allowed to be seen and even Mueller said what they saw couldn't be dismissed and they would have said it didn't happen if that was the case.

Then we can all wait patiently for the proof to surface.

[Duhon]

You forget the qualifying "high crimes and misdemeanours".

Which are nowhere defined in the Constitution, so it really is whatever the House of Representatives wants it to be.

The Constitution doesn't define bribery either. In any case, by the time the framers had finished the final draft, they knew the phrase they used "high crimes and misdemeanors" well, as it was established in English common law.

[Shrillland]

Which are nowhere defined in the Constitution, so it really is whatever the House of Representatives wants it to be.

The Constitution doesn't define bribery either. In any case, by the time the framers had finished the final draft, they knew the phrase they used "high crimes and misdemeanors" well, as it was established in English common law.

Yes, but since then, we have created the concept of executive privilege, effectively claiming that it's a violation of separation of powers to indict the President. So the only way to nab him for any crimes is for Congress to impeach and remove the President, and if they want to keep him around, then tough shit for everyone else.

[The Black Forrest]

You didn't read the censored Mueller report?

What was allowed to be seen and even Mueller said what they saw couldn't be dismissed and they would have said it didn't happen if that was the case.

Then we can all wait patiently for the proof to surface.

Indeed. This is why Mueller astutely decided not to charge him without a solid case. Criminal conspiracy could not be proved without a reasonable doubt.

Obstruction? He could be impeached.

[Farnhamia]

The Constitution doesn't define bribery either. In any case, by the time the framers had finished the final draft, they knew the phrase they used "high crimes and misdemeanors" well, as it was established in English common law.

Yes, but since then, we have created the concept of executive privilege, effectively claiming that it's a violation of separation of powers to indict the President. So the only way to nab him for any crimes is for Congress to impeach and remove the President, and if they want to keep him around, then tough shit for everyone else.

Actually, no. Executive privilege says that the President can refuse to comply with subpoenas and other information-seeking interventions from Congress and the courts. The word "indict" does not occur in that article. Not indicting a sitting president is, I believe, Justice Department policy.

[Shrillland]

Yes, but since then, we have created the concept of executive privilege, effectively claiming that it's a violation of separation of powers to indict the President. So the only way to nab him for any crimes is for Congress to impeach and remove the President, and if they want to keep him around, then tough shit for everyone else.

Actually, no. Executive privilege says that the President can refuse to comply with subpoenas and other information-seeking interventions from Congress and the courts. The word "indict" does not occur in that article. Not indicting a sitting president is, I believe, Justice Department policy.

It is, but it's under the same principle since their claim is that it causes undue distraction on the executive.

[San Lumen]

Then we can all wait patiently for the proof to surface.

Indeed. This is why Mueller astutely decided not to charge him without a solid case. Criminal conspiracy could not be proved without a reasonable doubt.

Obstruction? He could be impeached.

we all know Republicans arent going to vote to impeach. You'd never get 67 votes in the Senate

[The Black Forrest]

Indeed. This is why Mueller astutely decided not to charge him without a solid case. Criminal conspiracy could not be proved without a reasonable doubt.

Obstruction? He could be impeached.

we all know Republicans arent going to vote to impeach. You'd never get 67 votes in the Senate

Depends. How many seats are up?

[Northern Davincia]

Indeed. This is why Mueller astutely decided not to charge him without a solid case. Criminal conspiracy could not be proved without a reasonable doubt.

Obstruction? He could be impeached.

we all know Republicans arent going to vote to impeach. You'd never get 67 votes in the Senate

Not without concrete proof, they're not.

[The Black Forrest]

we all know Republicans arent going to vote to impeach. You'd never get 67 votes in the Senate

Not without concrete proof, they're not.

Yeaaa right. They won't vote against him unless they have no choice.

[Gormwood]

It's fascinating how an urban New Yorker managed to con rural midwesterners and southerners into believing that he is one of them.

[Northern Davincia]

It's fascinating how an urban New Yorker managed to con rural midwesterners and southerners that he is one of them.

It's all about vernacular.

[Valrifell]

It really should not be up to Congress to decide.

Who else would you have do it? SCOTUS?

[Neutraligon]

It's fascinating how an urban New Yorker managed to con rural midwesterners and southerners that he is one of them.

It's all about vernacular.

You do realize that is a very sad commentary right?

[Juristonia]

As much as I like seeing Republicans speaking out against Trump, I can never not laugh when it's Romney, considering how he practically went begging for a job, which he then didn't get.
Just face it. Trump used you for a free dinner and then didn't put out, and now you're bitter. Stop pretending it's because of your ideals, because you don't have those.

[Duhon]

"Whimsical, unpredictable, uninformed": Departing French ambassador compares Trump admin to Louis XIV's court, warns UK against post-Brexit special treatment from Trump

... that Trump-as-sun meme -- that's no sun --

[Gormwood]

"Whimsical, unpredictable, uninformed": Departing French ambassador compares Trump admin to Louis XIV's court, warns UK against post-Brexit special treatment from Trump

... that Trump-as-sun meme -- that's no sun --

... that's a dumpster fire.

[Duhon]

"Whimsical, unpredictable, uninformed": Departing French ambassador compares Trump admin to Louis XIV's court, warns UK against post-Brexit special treatment from Trump

... that Trump-as-sun meme -- that's no sun --

... that's a dumpster fire.

That high up in the sky? No, citizen: that thing's a meteor --

[Idzequitch]

... that's a dumpster fire.

That high up in the sky? No, citizen: that thing's a meteor --

"When they say ‘America first’, it’s America alone."

“Basically, this president and this administration don’t have allies, don’t have friends. It’s really [about] bilateral relationships on the basis of the balance of power and the defence of narrow American interest.”

Dang. This guy has got American politics figured out.

[Duhon]

That high up in the sky? No, citizen: that thing's a meteor --

"When they say ‘America first’, it’s America alone."

“Basically, this president and this administration don’t have allies, don’t have friends. It’s really [about] bilateral relationships on the basis of the balance of power and the defence of narrow American interest.”

Dang. This guy has got American politics figured out.

... well, at least you're two regimes away from the deluge! Bad news: the ancien regime's a democracy. Good news:

[Duhon]

One thing that caught my eye:

“Actually, we don’t have interlocutors,” Araud said. “[When] we have people to talk to, they are acting, so they don’t have real authority or access. Basically, the consequence is that there is only one centre of power: the White House.

“Bolton is really very competent. He is very knowledgeable. He has been around for 40 years. At the same time you have to understand that he doesn’t control this president, because this president is uncontrollable.”

In other words: these many vacant and "temporary" posts? It's by design, so only Trump and those he gives any sort of fuck about -- permanent members being basically his daughter, his son-in-law, and Stephen Miller -- can speak, as from the depths of hell.

[Gormwood]

One thing that caught my eye:

“Actually, we don’t have interlocutors,” Araud said. “[When] we have people to talk to, they are acting, so they don’t have real authority or access. Basically, the consequence is that there is only one centre of power: the White House.

“Bolton is really very competent. He is very knowledgeable. He has been around for 40 years. At the same time you have to understand that he doesn’t control this president, because this president is uncontrollable.”

In other words: these many vacant and "temporary" posts? It's by design, so only Trump and those he gives any sort of fuck about -- permanent members being basically his daughter, his son-in-law, and Stephen Miller -- can speak, as from the depths of hell.

Trump is trying to run the entire government by himself, cute, If he ever succeeds in getting the United States into a major war I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to micromanage the military effort himself despite being a draft dodger.

[Loben]

It's fascinating how an urban New Yorker managed to con rural midwesterners and southerners into believing that he is one of them.

He’s far preferable then the type of New Yorker San lumen is.

[Duhon]

Seeking advice from mods on whether or not commenting on articles about Mueller's report is permissible, given the existence of that thread.

In the meantime:

Trump raged at former WH counsel McGahn over note-taking, refusal to derail Special Counsel investigation

[Gormwood]

Seeking advice from mods on whether or not commenting on articles about Mueller's report is permissible, given the existence of that thread.

In the meantime:

Trump raged at former WH counsel McGahn over note-taking, refusal to derail Special Counsel investigation

Trump is so used to being able to do shady if not illegal things around his lawyers who didn't take notes like McCarthy lackey Roy Cohn or Michael Cohen (who at least wasn't taking written notes) that McGahn doing his due diligence as an attorney shocked him no doubt. You have to wonder if Trump supporters should openly celebrate that he was never indicted for collusion or obstruction by Mueller simply because Trump was surrounded by people who had more common sense than to carry out Trump's orders and thus inadvertently spared him from those implications.