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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 20, 2019 7:55 am

Galloism wrote:
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They've basically made him out to be like the chopper gunner from "Full Metal Jacket."


"Anybody who runs is a terrorist. Any body who stays is a well disciplined terrorist."

You say that like it's not plausible.


Not saying it isn't, just saying it seems oddly familiar of a trope, and with evidence casting lots of doubts on the case, it's equally as plausible it's all contrived.

I can't personally give a definitive ruling either way.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 20, 2019 8:02 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Acting under the assumption that nobody could be that evil is the best way to make sure that the people who really are that evil never get punished for their actions. We shouldn't necessarily take the report at face value, but we also shouldn't ignore the possibility, however unlikely it might be, that it's not lying.



Not saying it isn't possible. I agree the trial should go one. I'm just saying if the video is legit in that it exonerates him, it casts a lot of doubt on the rest of the reports, which almost seem like they trying to demonize him rather than legit accusations. As I have no way of knowing, I can't say either way, I'm only pointing out the situation is not cut and dry as some people are making it.

In this, I completely agree with you. I was just warning against becoming complacent, and you don't seem to be doing that, so I've got no complaints against you here.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 20, 2019 8:05 am

Galloism wrote:
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Oh there's definitely psychos, but with Gallagher the accusations are pretty egregious, and suggest a massive conspiracy to cover up his antics by the Navy Seals. I mean it's possible but there needs to be a lot of proof. The fact that there is supposedly camera footage that exonerates him, really casts doubt on the rest of the allegations.

And, honestly, if the allegations are true, then the responsibility for them must also exist up the chain. You don't act like that for a long time without someone up the chain noticing and deciding "hey, we'll just let that slide".

Aside from all the alleged murder, it sounds like Gallagher is very good at his job. He's trained as a sniper, medic, and explosives expert. He's highly decorated for acts of bravery, apparently cool and level-headed under fire, and inspirational to the men he trained.

One can easily imagine how it's easier for the higher-ups to ignore reports of a loose cannon if he gets results.


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They've basically made him out to be like the chopper gunner from "Full Metal Jacket."


"Anybody who runs is a terrorist. Any body who stays is a well disciplined terrorist."

Acting under the assumption that nobody could be that evil is the best way to make sure that the people who really are that evil never get punished for their actions. We shouldn't necessarily take the report at face value, but we also shouldn't ignore the possibility, however unlikely it might be, that it's not lying.

Whether Gallagher is actually guilty of the crimes of which he has been accused is somewhat beside the point. Trump is, presumably, aware of the accusations against Gallagher. He probably knows more or less what we know. And knowing that, he's set his people to start the process of pardoning Gallagher before his trial.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 9:55 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
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Come now, we're civilized here. Electric chair.

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Postby Gormwood » Mon May 20, 2019 10:04 am

An interesting poke at the economy and jobless rate hype.

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon May 20, 2019 11:22 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And it just so happened that the best summation of the idea that Trump doesn't care about foreigners or liberals that you could think of was to quote my post, my post about throwing milkshakes Nigel Farage, from a thread that you don't normally participate in. Of course, for all I know you routinely read the UK politics thread and only rarely post, and that was why you had my post in that thread fresh in your mind when you read my post about a sailor doing war crimes. For all I know it's a complete coincidence that you're aware of that post of mine that's two pages back from the most current page of the UK politics thread. I'm sure that's the most likely explanation.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon May 20, 2019 11:34 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Best answer woulda been "yeah, exactly this" rather than launching into a tyraid...

Tis spelled 'tirade', just so you know. Wasn't sure what you meant at first.

"Tyraid" is a portmaneau word referring to Ty Pennington's propensity for sneaking into lumber yards at night and stealing wood for his various carpentry projects. *nodnod*
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon May 20, 2019 12:30 pm

Trump expected to instruct McGahn not to testify and defy subpoena

Daily reminder that innocent people don't try to hide or obstruct the evidence that proclaims their innocence. Eh, it's going to come down to the Supreme Court, isn't it? Or the 2020 Election?
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Postby Valrifell » Mon May 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Trump expected to instruct McGahn not to testify and defy subpoena

Daily reminder that innocent people don't try to hide or obstruct the evidence that proclaims their innocence. Eh, it's going to come down to the Supreme Court, isn't it? Or the 2020 Election?


I'm fairly sure a SCOTUS battle would be a losing one, even the most partisan judges can see letting the executive branch get away with stuff like this isn't super great for maintaining coequal branches of government and the general stability of the Republic.

Any other ruling would, naturally, be disastrous.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon May 20, 2019 12:52 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Trump expected to instruct McGahn not to testify and defy subpoena

Daily reminder that innocent people don't try to hide or obstruct the evidence that proclaims their innocence. Eh, it's going to come down to the Supreme Court, isn't it? Or the 2020 Election?


I'm fairly sure a SCOTUS battle would be a losing one, even the most partisan judges can see letting the executive branch get away with stuff like this isn't super great for maintaining coequal branches of government and the general stability of the Republic.

Any other ruling would, naturally, be disastrous.


I agree. But I do wonder this: if Trump loses and when he leaves office, will they go after him still? It's a question I always pondered, especially since most women stop going after Kavanaugh after he was confirmed (not an apples to apples situation but close enough).
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Postby Gormwood » Mon May 20, 2019 12:53 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I'm fairly sure a SCOTUS battle would be a losing one, even the most partisan judges can see letting the executive branch get away with stuff like this isn't super great for maintaining coequal branches of government and the general stability of the Republic.

Any other ruling would, naturally, be disastrous.


I agree. But I do wonder this: if Trump loses and when he leaves office, will they go after him still? It's a question I always pondered, especially since most women stop going after Kavanaugh after he was confirmed (not an apples to apples situation but close enough).

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Postby Corrian » Mon May 20, 2019 12:54 pm

I see we're still all fine and dandy.
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Postby Corrian » Mon May 20, 2019 12:55 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I'm fairly sure a SCOTUS battle would be a losing one, even the most partisan judges can see letting the executive branch get away with stuff like this isn't super great for maintaining coequal branches of government and the general stability of the Republic.

Any other ruling would, naturally, be disastrous.


I agree. But I do wonder this: if Trump loses and when he leaves office, will they go after him still? It's a question I always pondered, especially since most women stop going after Kavanaugh after he was confirmed (not an apples to apples situation but close enough).

I feel like they should, honestly. I know it may look petty, but people shouldn't get away with crimes.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 12:55 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Trump expected to instruct McGahn not to testify and defy subpoena

Daily reminder that innocent people don't try to hide or obstruct the evidence that proclaims their innocence. Eh, it's going to come down to the Supreme Court, isn't it? Or the 2020 Election?


I'm fairly sure a SCOTUS battle would be a losing one, even the most partisan judges can see letting the executive branch get away with stuff like this isn't super great for maintaining coequal branches of government and the general stability of the Republic.

Any other ruling would, naturally, be disastrous.


It would be a big losing decision for Mr. Trump. Chief Justice Roberts is an institutionalist. He's not gonna make Trump the one and only. So then the idiot Trump would resort to what? Ask the AG fire Roberts? Trump's painted himself into a corner.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon May 20, 2019 12:56 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I'm fairly sure a SCOTUS battle would be a losing one, even the most partisan judges can see letting the executive branch get away with stuff like this isn't super great for maintaining coequal branches of government and the general stability of the Republic.

Any other ruling would, naturally, be disastrous.


I agree. But I do wonder this: if Trump loses and when he leaves office, will they go after him still? It's a question I always pondered, especially since most women stop going after Kavanaugh after he was confirmed (not an apples to apples situation but close enough).


I have no doubt that, at the very least, the New York AG investigations will keep going after he leaves office but I do suspect there'll be far less national coverage of those in that case.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon May 20, 2019 12:58 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I'm fairly sure a SCOTUS battle would be a losing one, even the most partisan judges can see letting the executive branch get away with stuff like this isn't super great for maintaining coequal branches of government and the general stability of the Republic.

Any other ruling would, naturally, be disastrous.


It would be a big losing decision for Mr. Trump. Chief Justice Roberts is an institutionalist. He's not gonna make Trump the one and only. So then the idiot Trump would resort to what? Ask the AG fire Roberts? Trump's painted himself into a corner.


Rumor says that if the decision on US v. Nixon wasn't unanimous Nixon was going to ignore it. I wouldn't put it passed him to go full Andrew Jackson "they've made their decision, now let them enforce it" which would definitely spark a bigger constitutional crisis than the one we might already be in.

But that would, again, likely lead to widespread violence if not Trump's forced removal from office.
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 1:03 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
It would be a big losing decision for Mr. Trump. Chief Justice Roberts is an institutionalist. He's not gonna make Trump the one and only. So then the idiot Trump would resort to what? Ask the AG fire Roberts? Trump's painted himself into a corner.


Rumor says that if the decision on US v. Nixon wasn't unanimous Nixon was going to ignore it. I wouldn't put it passed him to go full Andrew Jackson "they've made their decision, now let them enforce it" which would definitely spark a bigger constitutional crisis than the one we might already be in.

But that would, again, likely lead to widespread violence if not Trump's forced removal from office.


The person that did that tattoo of Nixon on Roger Stone's back should ink one up on Trump's face. Maybe his forehead.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2019 1:33 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
It would be a big losing decision for Mr. Trump. Chief Justice Roberts is an institutionalist. He's not gonna make Trump the one and only. So then the idiot Trump would resort to what? Ask the AG fire Roberts? Trump's painted himself into a corner.


Rumor says that if the decision on US v. Nixon wasn't unanimous Nixon was going to ignore it. I wouldn't put it passed him to go full Andrew Jackson "they've made their decision, now let them enforce it" which would definitely spark a bigger constitutional crisis than the one we might already be in.

But that would, again, likely lead to widespread violence if not Trump's forced removal from office.


I would not put it past Trump to ignore the Supreme Court.

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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 1:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Rumor says that if the decision on US v. Nixon wasn't unanimous Nixon was going to ignore it. I wouldn't put it passed him to go full Andrew Jackson "they've made their decision, now let them enforce it" which would definitely spark a bigger constitutional crisis than the one we might already be in.

But that would, again, likely lead to widespread violence if not Trump's forced removal from office.


I would not put it past Trump to ignore the Supreme Court.


Well now, that would surely exonerate him! :shock:

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 20, 2019 1:37 pm

The Failing New York Times (it will pass away when I leave office in 6 years), and others of the Fake News Media, keep writing phony stories about how I didn’t use many banks because they didn’t want to do business with me. WRONG! It is because I didn’t need money. Very old fashioned, but true. When you don’t need or want money, you don’t need or want banks. Banks have always been available to me, they want to make money. Fake Media only says this to disparage, and always uses unnamed sources (because their sources don’t even exist). The Mainstream Media has never been as corrupt and deranged as it is today. FAKE NEWS is actually the biggest story of all and is the true ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE! That’s why they refuse to cover the REAL Russia Hoax. But the American people are wise to what is going on.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2019 1:39 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I would not put it past Trump to ignore the Supreme Court.


Well now, that would surely exonerate him! :shock:

His cult like base would cheer it on and say something like "Look the courts are against our leader who can do no wrong."

Republicans in Congress would probably defend it too as they are too scared of primary challenges to do their job instead of seeing his praises all the time
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Postby Sidesh0w B0b » Mon May 20, 2019 2:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Well now, that would surely exonerate him! :shock:

His cult like base would cheer it on and say something like "Look the courts are against our leader who can do no wrong."

Republicans in Congress would probably defend it too as they are too scared of primary challenges to do their job instead of seeing his praises all the time


If so, then this entire thing with Trump becomes far worse than Watergate/Nixon. Why go there if you're Trump? It would only show he must be guilty as sin. Two words for it. Stupid, evil.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 20, 2019 2:13 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
San Lumen wrote:His cult like base would cheer it on and say something like "Look the courts are against our leader who can do no wrong."

Republicans in Congress would probably defend it too as they are too scared of primary challenges to do their job instead of seeing his praises all the time


If so, then this entire thing with Trump becomes far worse than Watergate/Nixon. Why go there if you're Trump? It would only show he must be guilty as sin. Two words for it. Stupid, evil.

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