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Postby Kowani » Fri May 31, 2019 10:14 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Gormwood wrote:And replace them with what?

A functional multi-party democratic system that isn't run by neoliberal oligarchs?

Call a plumber, ‘cause that’s a pipe dream.
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Postby Cappuccina » Fri May 31, 2019 10:19 pm

Kowani wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:A functional multi-party democratic system that isn't run by neoliberal oligarchs?

Call a plumber, ‘cause that’s a pipe dream.

Honestly I look forward to elections, good entertainment value. Reality TV at its best.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri May 31, 2019 10:37 pm

Cappuccina wrote:
Kowani wrote:Call a plumber, ‘cause that’s a pipe dream.

Honestly I look forward to elections, good entertainment value. Reality TV at its best.

Don't forget tossing bones to batshit parties to get a functioning coalition.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 31, 2019 10:38 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Honestly I look forward to elections, good entertainment value. Reality TV at its best.

Don't forget tossing bones to batshit parties to get a functioning coalition.


Nothing would really change on that front for us. We already have to toss bones to batshit people cuz of the big tents that the two parties are.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri May 31, 2019 11:41 pm

I sometimes check CNN because they'll run NYT or WSJ articles and I can sneak around the paywall and you can get a broadstrokes of big things happening, but this was the upper right and I'm done.
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Postby Duhon » Fri May 31, 2019 11:47 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:I sometimes check CNN because they'll run NYT or WSJ articles and I can sneak around the paywall and you can get a broadstrokes of big things happening, but this was the upper right and I'm done.
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I'm out. I'm just going to watch Godzilla movies and pretend this isn't the dumbass world we live in now...


Wait, you're only breaking now? Wow -- how did you endure for so long?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri May 31, 2019 11:52 pm

Duhon wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I sometimes check CNN because they'll run NYT or WSJ articles and I can sneak around the paywall and you can get a broadstrokes of big things happening, but this was the upper right and I'm done.
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Wait, you're only breaking now? Wow -- how did you endure for so long?

They're temporary breaks. Occasionally you need someone to ring the bell so you can sit in the corner and let the cut man do his work...
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Postby Mushet » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:39 am

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Name the last time we had a large number of white illegal immigrants. Europeans are fucking terrified of the USA. As they should be.

Still, this would all be solved if we just annexed mexico.

Annex Mexico, annex the corruption, annex the drug cartels, annex the separatist guerillas... Central and South American migrants keep coming. Just pure brilliance.

Nah, fuck that, team up with the drug cartels and deal with China by starting a new opium war and reaping the profits.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:50 am

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That is probably true but id like to think the military would defy that order.

Eh... defying the other side, actually.

Kinzinger did nothing wrong, tho.

Texas wants to use F-35s to enforce the border.

The national Guard doesn’t control the nukes though
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:57 am

Gormwood wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Honestly I look forward to elections, good entertainment value. Reality TV at its best.

Don't forget tossing bones to batshit parties to get a functioning coalition.

Actually it’s more likely that the democrats and the republicans would become more alike again instead of polar opposites in a closed list PR system.

Effectively the republicans and democrats would become the CDU and SPD.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:59 am

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Galloism wrote:People flip on a dime. They're not mexicans anymore, they're Americans. Just like Puerto Ricans.

It's the guatemalans you gotta worry about now.

Puerto Ricans aren't considered Americans or they'd have gotten a lot more hurricane aid than just paper towels, and that monopolistic trade regulation would be gone too.

The rest of the US hasn’t gotten much disaster aid either
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:08 am

Gormwood wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Honestly I look forward to elections, good entertainment value. Reality TV at its best.

Don't forget tossing bones to batshit parties to get a functioning coalition.

You mean minorities actually get represented? Sounds good to me
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Postby Bahktar » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:04 am

Thermodolia wrote:Actually it’s more likely that the democrats and the republicans would become more alike again instead of polar opposites in a closed list PR system.

Effectively the republicans and democrats would become the CDU and SPD.


Maybe, but in my opinion - probably not. The Republican and Democratic Parties are total opposites, as they should be.
The Republican Party is the low-tax/pro-military/anti-abortion/pro-states rights/whatever while the Democratic Party is.. well, you get what I mean. One party supports Obamacare, the other vehemently opposes it, ya know?

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Postby Galloism » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:25 am

Gormwood wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Honestly I look forward to elections, good entertainment value. Reality TV at its best.

Don't forget tossing bones to batshit parties to get a functioning coalition.

So people having representation is..... bad?
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:40 am

Galloism wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Don't forget tossing bones to batshit parties to get a functioning coalition.

So people having representation is..... bad?

Would you want say, actual white supremacist or radfem parties getting a legislation passed as payment for hitching to a coalition?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:41 am

Thermodolia wrote:

The national Guard doesn’t control the nukes though

Whats your point? unless federalized the national guard answers to the Governor. And if Trump ordered a nuclear bomb dropped on Chicago or San Francisco I am almost certain that order would be defied by the military.

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Postby Galloism » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:44 am

Gormwood wrote:
Galloism wrote:So people having representation is..... bad?

Would you want say, actual white supremacist or radfem parties getting a legislation passed as payment for hitching to a coalition?

Not especially, but should radfems or white supremacists have representation?

I guess that depends how committed you are to representative democracy. If undesirables can have the representation suppressed because we don’t like them, well, I guess that can be your position, but you lose the right to complain when one of these “no representation without income taxation” people comes along, trying to deny the vote to the poor that don’t pay income taxes.

Keep in mind, any argument you make can and will be used against you later.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:46 am

Gormwood wrote:
Galloism wrote:So people having representation is..... bad?

Would you want say, actual white supremacist or radfem parties getting a legislation passed as payment for hitching to a coalition?


If we look at how the rest of the world does it, the large parties would sooner set up minority leadership than allow them in a coalition more likely than not.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:11 am

Shrillland wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Would you want say, actual white supremacist or radfem parties getting a legislation passed as payment for hitching to a coalition?


If we look at how the rest of the world does it, the large parties would sooner set up minority leadership than allow them in a coalition more likely than not.


Reps are already fairly okay with the radicals in their party for short-term grips on power, so I question how true that actually is.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:12 am

Valrifell wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
If we look at how the rest of the world does it, the large parties would sooner set up minority leadership than allow them in a coalition more likely than not.


Reps are already fairly okay with the radicals in their party for short-term grips on power, so I question how true that actually is.


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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:39 am

Gormwood wrote:
Galloism wrote:So people having representation is..... bad?

Would you want say, actual white supremacist or radfem parties getting a legislation passed as payment for hitching to a coalition?


As opposed to currently, where actual white supremacists first join the Republican party and radfems the Democrat party, then get legislation passed as part of a polarised party line.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:42 am

Gormwood wrote:
Galloism wrote:So people having representation is..... bad?

Would you want say, actual white supremacist or radfem parties getting a legislation passed as payment for hitching to a coalition?

In no state with a functional multi-party system does this happen, though. Radical parties barely make it into coalitions because they are unreliable partners.

At the moment, these radicals have infiltrated both the Democratic and the Republican parties (although the latter far more) and both parties are moving to the extreme. Instead of having small fringe parties calling for extremist legislature, now it's both main parties. Now, how's that for a better system?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:01 am

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Postby Tobleste » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:45 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Don't forget tossing bones to batshit parties to get a functioning coalition.


Nothing would really change on that front for us. We already have to toss bones to batshit people cuz of the big tents that the two parties are.


True. Tossing bones to batshit people is what both parties have to do to sustain themselves. In the case of Trump, the batshit people have just staged a hostile takeover.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:19 am

Also for all his bragging about his Economics Degree, it seems Trump's bluster about what his new tariffs will do is entirely divorced from how actual economics works.
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