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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:56 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:They don’t work for free forever dude. If this lasts more than three months the ATC guys are gonna strike. Which would immediately ground all air traffic in the US and would have a domino effect in world air travel and at home.

After two months of ATC striking the airline employees would go on strike, followed by the truckers, rail, and other transportation workers. Then the service and manufacture workers would strike bringing the economy to a grinding halt. At that point the world economy would start to collapse. Riots and revolutions would be widespread.

So moral of the story pay your peeps

At this point I don't think Trump cares

I wasn’t directing that at Trump
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:56 pm

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San Lumen wrote:At this point I don't think Trump cares

I wasn’t directing that at Trump

I am aware. Why would rail and trucking be affected by air traffic controllers striking?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:02 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I wasn’t directing that at Trump

I am aware. Why would rail and trucking be affected by air traffic controllers striking?

Domino effect. Without the airlines you can’t get things far and fast. Which means that the trucking industry would be overloaded with shipments. Overworked and underpaid never ends well so they strike. The railroad employees would most likely strike out of solidarity with the ATC, truckers, and airline employees.
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Postby Heloin » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I am aware. Why would rail and trucking be affected by air traffic controllers striking?

Domino effect. Without the airlines you can’t get things far and fast. Which means that the trucking industry would be overloaded with shipments. Overworked and underpaid never ends well so they strike. The railroad employees would most likely strike out of solidarity with the ATC, truckers, and airline employees.

While I'm aware this is the worst case scenario, but if the thing that kills this country is a stupid wall not being built.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:10 pm

Heloin wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Domino effect. Without the airlines you can’t get things far and fast. Which means that the trucking industry would be overloaded with shipments. Overworked and underpaid never ends well so they strike. The railroad employees would most likely strike out of solidarity with the ATC, truckers, and airline employees.

While I'm aware this is the worst case scenario, but if the thing that kills this country is a stupid wall not being built.


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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:13 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I am aware. Why would rail and trucking be affected by air traffic controllers striking?

Domino effect. Without the airlines you can’t get things far and fast. Which means that the trucking industry would be overloaded with shipments. Overworked and underpaid never ends well so they strike. The railroad employees would most likely strike out of solidarity with the ATC, truckers, and airline employees.

Why would they do that? Union Pacific and CSX are independent companies with no government funding

Plus the MTA is a state agency and it’s also against the law for subway workers to strike. A stupid law in my view but that a topic for another thread
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Postby Heloin » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Domino effect. Without the airlines you can’t get things far and fast. Which means that the trucking industry would be overloaded with shipments. Overworked and underpaid never ends well so they strike. The railroad employees would most likely strike out of solidarity with the ATC, truckers, and airline employees.

Why would they do that? Union Pacific and CSX are independent companies with no government funding

Plus the MTA is a state agency and it’s also against the law for subway workers to strike. A stupid law in my view but that a topic for another thread

It's against the law for ATC to strike, that doesn't mean they shouldn't if they don't get paid for months.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:21 pm

Heloin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why would they do that? Union Pacific and CSX are independent companies with no government funding

Plus the MTA is a state agency and it’s also against the law for subway workers to strike. A stupid law in my view but that a topic for another thread

It's against the law for ATC to strike, that doesn't mean they shouldn't if they don't get paid for months.

Is that why Reagan fired them? If so he had every right too. I do agree they should not go without pay and should strike. I would not be surprised if we repeat this charade again in September 2019 on a bigger scale
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Postby Heloin » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's against the law for ATC to strike, that doesn't mean they shouldn't if they don't get paid for months.

Is that why Reagan fired them? If so he had every right too. I do agree they should not go without pay and should strike. I would not be surprised if we repeat this charade again in September 2019 on a bigger scale

I stand by the Reagan's decision to fire them is one of the worst blows to labour rights in America, but as you said another topic for another thread so I'll drop it.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:40 pm

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Genuine criticism of Trump's policies, I got no issues with that.

Insulting him because he likes ketchup on his steak and that it should somehow be weighed against him in government is bloody stupid.


Serious question: when has that happened in this thread since the election?

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Postby Galloism » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Serious question: when has that happened in this thread since the election?

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:46 pm

Galloism wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:
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I approve of this cartoon.


It does highlight that nowadays, even the smallest of criticisms gets you branded as a "snowflake".

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:52 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Galloism wrote:I approve of this cartoon.


It does highlight that nowadays, even the smallest of criticisms gets you branded as a "snowflake".

"You think the president should be more professional at times?"

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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:13 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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Obviously not but they are a essential service and have to work.

They don’t work for free forever dude. If this lasts more than three months the ATC guys are gonna strike. Which would immediately ground all air traffic in the US and would have a domino effect in world air travel and at home.

After two months of ATC striking the airline employees would go on strike, followed by the truckers, rail, and other transportation workers. Then the service and manufacture workers would strike bringing the economy to a grinding halt. At that point the world economy would start to collapse. Riots and revolutions would be widespread.

So moral of the story pay your peeps

You think Americans nowadays are willing to go on strike?

Really?

I'm not saying some wouldn't, it's just that most wouldn't.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:50 am

New haven america wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They don’t work for free forever dude. If this lasts more than three months the ATC guys are gonna strike. Which would immediately ground all air traffic in the US and would have a domino effect in world air travel and at home.

After two months of ATC striking the airline employees would go on strike, followed by the truckers, rail, and other transportation workers. Then the service and manufacture workers would strike bringing the economy to a grinding halt. At that point the world economy would start to collapse. Riots and revolutions would be widespread.

So moral of the story pay your peeps

You think Americans nowadays are willing to go on strike?

Really?

I'm not saying some wouldn't, it's just that most wouldn't.


Tis true, I'm afraid. Reagan delivered the final blow, making workers afraid of not only their bosses but each other. Not to mention that labour in this country can't agree on whether they like or hate Trump.
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:04 am

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Thermodolia wrote:I doubt it.


Im sorry you have such a myopic view of the world and dont care about anyone else. Leaving Syria and Afghanistan will lead to a resurgence of ISIS and a possible takeover by the Taliban but neither of that concerns you in any way right?

I think you're exaggerating there. There's still Assad and Russia to fight ISIS. Unless they suddenly gain thousands of supporters, America's withdrawal won't suddenly kickstart an ISIS resurgence.
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Postby Myrensis » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:46 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:This isn’t good

National Security Operations will not be exempt from the shutdown it will effect the entire government. 400,000 government employees will be sent home without pay and won’t be paid for awhile.

If you work for the government, this includes military, expect to not get a paycheck for 6 months
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Y'know, being relatively well-versed in military history and all...

Not paying your troops is a particularly dangerous action.


It won't happen. Even if the shutdown does drag out they'll push a through a not-really-legal-but-who-is-seriously-going-to-oppose-or-complain bill to pay the military, just like they did in 2013.

Though, I wouldn't expect it to last more than 2 weeks. Once the new Democratic House comes in wall funding is dead and that will be all the excuse McConnell needs, and we'll see how proud Trump really will be to own the shutdown once he gets a spending bill sent to his desk and he refuses to sign it because how will everyone know he has a big penis if he doesn't get to build his big beautiful wall?

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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:26 am

New haven america wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They don’t work for free forever dude. If this lasts more than three months the ATC guys are gonna strike. Which would immediately ground all air traffic in the US and would have a domino effect in world air travel and at home.

After two months of ATC striking the airline employees would go on strike, followed by the truckers, rail, and other transportation workers. Then the service and manufacture workers would strike bringing the economy to a grinding halt. At that point the world economy would start to collapse. Riots and revolutions would be widespread.

So moral of the story pay your peeps

You think Americans nowadays are willing to go on strike?

Really?

I'm not saying some wouldn't, it's just that most wouldn't.


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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:28 am

New haven america wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They don’t work for free forever dude. If this lasts more than three months the ATC guys are gonna strike. Which would immediately ground all air traffic in the US and would have a domino effect in world air travel and at home.

After two months of ATC striking the airline employees would go on strike, followed by the truckers, rail, and other transportation workers. Then the service and manufacture workers would strike bringing the economy to a grinding halt. At that point the world economy would start to collapse. Riots and revolutions would be widespread.

So moral of the story pay your peeps

You think Americans nowadays are willing to go on strike?

Really?

I'm not saying some wouldn't, it's just that most wouldn't.


If you don't pay people for 3 months, they have exactly two options:

1) Stop working for you.
2) Starve.

I don't expect many people to choose option 2.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Obviously not but they are a essential service and have to work.

They don’t work for free forever dude. If this lasts more than three months the ATC guys are gonna strike. Which would immediately ground all air traffic in the US and would have a domino effect in world air travel and at home.

After two months of ATC striking the airline employees would go on strike, followed by the truckers, rail, and other transportation workers. Then the service and manufacture workers would strike bringing the economy to a grinding halt. At that point the world economy would start to collapse. Riots and revolutions would be widespread.

So moral of the story pay your peeps


The lesson is usually "always pay the men with sharp sticks or pew pew wands".

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Postby Sane Outcasts » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:53 am

So at this point, Trump has no Secretary of Defense or Chief of Staff, and an Attorney General whose appointment is very likely illegal.

Man, I wish politics was boring again.

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Sane Outcasts wrote:So at this point, Trump has no Secretary of Defense or Chief of Staff, and an Attorney General whose appointment is very likely illegal.

Man, I wish politics was boring again.

Also the government has shut down.
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