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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:16 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Liriena wrote:Actually, it's the other way around. Stephan Molyneux is a lot worse. For one, he's an unironic white supremacist who believes in "race and IQ".

I thought people stopped taking that point of view seriously after the 50s.

It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
Frievolk wrote:I thought people stopped taking that point of view seriously after the 50s.

It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.


...I know a Steam friend of mine who binges BlackPigeonSpeaks videos.

I watched a couple of 'em and I find 'em to be too sensationalist.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:27 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.


...I know a Steam friend of mine who binges BlackPigeonSpeaks videos.

I watched a couple of 'em and I find 'em to be too sensationalist.

He's not just a sensationalist. The dude is, at the very least, a huge sexist fraud.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Liriena wrote:Actually, it's the other way around. Stephan Molyneux is a lot worse. For one, he's an unironic white supremacist who believes in "race and IQ".

I thought people stopped taking that point of view seriously after the 50s.


Given that more than one person here on NSG has unironically tried to force said point of view...
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Postby Frievolk » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Frievolk wrote:I thought people stopped taking that point of view seriously after the 50s.

It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.

Honestly this anti-intellectual resurgence of non-scientific points of view, uttered by pseudo-scientific "intellectuals" is becoming really annoying. It's not just retarded points like "scientific racism" either. The entirety of the anti-vaxxer movement is regurgitation of shit people said 1.5 centuries ago, with a few words changed.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:30 pm

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Liriena wrote:It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.

Honestly this anti-intellectual resurgence of non-scientific points of view, uttered by pseudo-scientific "intellectuals" is becoming really annoying. It's not just retarded points like "scientific racism" either. The entirety of the anti-vaxxer movement is regurgitation of shit people said 1.5 centuries ago, with a few words changed.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:31 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.

Honestly this anti-intellectual resurgence of non-scientific points of view, uttered by pseudo-scientific "intellectuals" is becoming really annoying. It's not just retarded points like "scientific racism" either. The entirety of the anti-vaxxer movement is regurgitation of shit people said 1.5 centuries ago, with a few words changed.


The anti-vaxxer movement is also a particular insult towards autistic people because it is effectively an indirect way of saying "I'd rather have my child die of an easily preventable disease than for him to autism".

And the worst part is that autism isn't even fucking caused by vaccines.

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Postby Frievolk » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:36 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Honestly this anti-intellectual resurgence of non-scientific points of view, uttered by pseudo-scientific "intellectuals" is becoming really annoying. It's not just retarded points like "scientific racism" either. The entirety of the anti-vaxxer movement is regurgitation of shit people said 1.5 centuries ago, with a few words changed.


The anti-vaxxer movement is also a particular insult towards autistic people because it is effectively an indirect way of saying "I'd rather have my child die of an easily preventable disease than for him to autism".

And the worst part is that autism isn't even fucking caused by vaccines.

Funny thing is I had this very debate with someone a few hours ago (on Tumblr, but I digress)
Personally, I put the Ableist and anti-autist rhetoric secondary to the fact it's just regurgitation of shit the Anti-vaxxers have been saying since the moment vaccination began.
Like, I know for a fact that when Persia began vaccinating against the Pox, the "intellectuals" of the era (that is to say, the Mullahs in a pre-Naseruddin Shah Iran) were like, 100% sure that vaccines had "tiny Jinns that will haunt your children". It's the same argument, regurgitated to monger fear against autism now that people aren't afraid of demons, ghosts, and djinns.

(But yeah, It should be mentioned that The "Vaccines make you get autism" mongers fear against autism with lying about vaccination and mongers fear against vaccination by lying about autism at the same time)
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:49 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Liriena wrote:Actually, it's the other way around. Stephan Molyneux is a lot worse. For one, he's an unironic white supremacist who believes in "race and IQ".

I thought people stopped taking that point of view seriously after the 50s.

Unfortunately not.

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Postby Reikoku » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:53 pm

Liriena wrote:
Frievolk wrote:I thought people stopped taking that point of view seriously after the 50s.

It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.


Oh God. As a white person who's lived in Japan, I feel compelled to apologize for people like BPS. The way he talks I don't think he's met a single person outside the "gaijin districts."

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Postby Loben » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:55 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.


Oh God. As a white person who's lived in Japan, I feel compelled to apologize for people like BPS. The way he talks I don't think he's met a single person outside the "gaijin districts."


BPS comes off as someone who went nuts.

then again the term irc is "black pilled."

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:09 pm

Liriena wrote:It's made a resurgence on Youtube thanks to grifters like Molyneux and BlackPigeonSpeaks.


I skimmed over BlackPigeonSpeaks Youtube channel and watched a few videos, this is really good stuff he's producing. Definitely bookmarked.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:32 pm

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:15 pm

Loben wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Oh God. As a white person who's lived in Japan, I feel compelled to apologize for people like BPS. The way he talks I don't think he's met a single person outside the "gaijin districts."


BPS comes off as someone who went nuts.

then again the term irc is "black pilled."

My sense of irony makes me think that the term “black pilled” refers to getting woke to racism race realism?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:25 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Loben wrote:
BPS comes off as someone who went nuts.

then again the term irc is "black pilled."

My sense of irony makes me think that the term “black pilled” refers to getting woke to racism race realism?

Kinda. The red pill is kind of the first step in getting anti-woke. The black pill is that taking to the most extreme of extremes. It's a combination of absolute, profound bigotry with utter hopelessness and extreme personal resentment. Incels are pretty much the biggest takers of the black pill, hence their tendency to be explicitly suicidal, murderous, or both.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ors Might wrote:My sense of irony makes me think that the term “black pilled” refers to getting woke to racism race realism?

Kinda. The red pill is kind of the first step in getting anti-woke. The black pill is that taking to the most extreme of extremes. It's a combination of absolute, profound bigotry with utter hopelessness and extreme personal resentment. Incels are pretty much the biggest takers of the black pill, hence their tendency to be explicitly suicidal, murderous, or both.

Ah. So if Red Pillers are akin to those douchey pick up artists that think the current shitty system is “just the way it is”, Black Pillers are social rejects that reject society back so hard that they simultaneously garner my deepest pity and loathing?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:31 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Liriena wrote:Kinda. The red pill is kind of the first step in getting anti-woke. The black pill is that taking to the most extreme of extremes. It's a combination of absolute, profound bigotry with utter hopelessness and extreme personal resentment. Incels are pretty much the biggest takers of the black pill, hence their tendency to be explicitly suicidal, murderous, or both.

Ah. So if Red Pillers are akin to those douchey pick up artists that think the current shitty system is “just the way it is”, Black Pillers are social rejects that reject society back so hard that they simultaneously garner my deepest pity and loathing?

Yep.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Ah. So if Red Pillers are akin to those douchey pick up artists that think the current shitty system is “just the way it is”, Black Pillers are social rejects that reject society back so hard that they simultaneously garner my deepest pity and loathing?

Yep.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:41 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Why?

Gee, maybe because I don't want him to turn this into a thread about how all this is the fault of women and feminists? Like he has a noted history of doing...

Well, he does have a valid point about children growing up without fathers being a problem, but that is partially the fault of men who are sleeping around and having too much casual sex and fathering children out of wedlock. And assuming those poor offspring do not get aborted, these men act like total deadbeats and fail to take any responsibility for caring for their children.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:03 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
New haven america wrote:Gee, maybe because I don't want him to turn this into a thread about how all this is the fault of women and feminists? Like he has a noted history of doing...

Well, he does have a valid point about children growing up without fathers being a problem, but that is partially the fault of men who are sleeping around and having too much casual sex and fathering children out of wedlock. And assuming those poor offspring do not get aborted, these men act like total deadbeats and fail to take any responsibility for caring for their children.


But have we actually seen any evidence to make that relevant to this situation?
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:51 am

Bienenhalde wrote:Well, he does have a valid point about children growing up without fathers being a problem, but that is partially the fault of men who are sleeping around and having too much casual sex and fathering children out of wedlock. And assuming those poor offspring do not get aborted, these men act like total deadbeats and fail to take any responsibility for caring for their children.


Well in equal measure, a woman who engaged in excessive hypergamy and slept around or just made poorer choices throughout her 20s in general, or perhaps became a single mother for whatever reason; can't just expect a self respecting man who works hard to keep improving his status and lifestyle to simply be willing to "settle" for them or for someone with her history. It doesn't work this way.

Women can't be absolved of choosing to get pregnant from a deadbeat if that is the net effect of her own choices.
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