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by Olthar » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:32 pm
by Katganistan » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:30 pm
Mushet wrote:When I was a kid I thought Santa Claus was Inuit since he lived in the North Pole, made sense to me.
by Vassenor » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:31 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:As you all know, I’m very opinionated on him being a white old man.
Anything else just wouldn’t feel “canon” or like a real Santa to me.
He’s a mostly European legend and since the industrial revolution he’s been white. That’s the modern canon Santa.
To change his race would be like changing Harry Potter to a Japanese character or alternatively making Light Yagami Caucasian English.
It just doesn’t seem right.
by Geneviev » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:32 pm
Vassenor wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:As you all know, I’m very opinionated on him being a white old man.
Anything else just wouldn’t feel “canon” or like a real Santa to me.
He’s a mostly European legend and since the industrial revolution he’s been white. That’s the modern canon Santa.
To change his race would be like changing Harry Potter to a Japanese character or alternatively making Light Yagami Caucasian English.
It just doesn’t seem right.
So this is another case where everything has to be exactly as you remember it so you don't have an existential crisis?
by Holy Tedalonia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:41 pm
Vassenor wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:As you all know, I’m very opinionated on him being a white old man.
Anything else just wouldn’t feel “canon” or like a real Santa to me.
He’s a mostly European legend and since the industrial revolution he’s been white. That’s the modern canon Santa.
To change his race would be like changing Harry Potter to a Japanese character or alternatively making Light Yagami Caucasian English.
It just doesn’t seem right.
So this is another case where everything has to be exactly as you remember it so you don't have an existential crisis?
by Vassenor » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:43 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So this is another case where everything has to be exactly as you remember it so you don't have an existential crisis?
I don't have a problem with his point. It definitely helps out with kids asking why santas race changed.
If you think santas race should be change; you should probably change the race of greek gods, since ultimately that to would be counteracting your beliefs.
That being said I think its ok, to have a "asian santa" or "black santa", but theres nothing wrong with the traditional white santa. And I would prefer white santa only for the sake of consistency. Remembering were enticing children to believe a man breaks into every ones house every year, we might as well stay consistent.
by Geneviev » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:46 pm
Vassenor wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:I don't have a problem with his point. It definitely helps out with kids asking why santas race changed.
If you think santas race should be change; you should probably change the race of greek gods, since ultimately that to would be counteracting your beliefs.
That being said I think its ok, to have a "asian santa" or "black santa", but theres nothing wrong with the traditional white santa. And I would prefer white santa only for the sake of consistency. Remembering were enticing children to believe a man breaks into every ones house every year, we might as well stay consistent.
I don't see anyone saying that his race has to change and never be white again. Just that it shouldn't matter who a given group gets to wear the costume.
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:47 pm
Geneviev wrote:Vassenor wrote:
I don't see anyone saying that his race has to change and never be white again. Just that it shouldn't matter who a given group gets to wear the costume.
Yes, but if one Santa is white and the other one is black a child will think his race changed and it would be strange to explain.
by Valgora » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:00 pm
Ryukyu wrote:modern portrayal of santa was made by coca cola. no reason to not change it up if we want to
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by Valgora » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:03 pm
Mushet wrote:When I was a kid I thought Santa Claus was Inuit since he lived in the North Pole, made sense to me.
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by Katganistan » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:06 pm
Geneviev wrote:Vassenor wrote:
I don't see anyone saying that his race has to change and never be white again. Just that it shouldn't matter who a given group gets to wear the costume.
Yes, but if one Santa is white and the other one is black a child will think his race changed and it would be strange to explain.
by Holy Tedalonia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:12 pm
Katganistan wrote:Geneviev wrote:Yes, but if one Santa is white and the other one is black a child will think his race changed and it would be strange to explain.
He's a magic elf with flying reindeer who visits every kid on earth in one night, and you think his appearance is going to trigger an issue for kids?
Here's a helpful hint. It's not the kids who are having the crisis over this. It's adults.
by Geneviev » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:16 pm
Katganistan wrote:Geneviev wrote:Yes, but if one Santa is white and the other one is black a child will think his race changed and it would be strange to explain.
He's a magic elf with flying reindeer who visits every kid on earth in one night, and you think his appearance is going to trigger an issue for kids?
Here's a helpful hint. It's not the kids who are having the crisis over this. It's adults.
by Vassenor » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:21 pm
Geneviev wrote:Katganistan wrote:He's a magic elf with flying reindeer who visits every kid on earth in one night, and you think his appearance is going to trigger an issue for kids?
Here's a helpful hint. It's not the kids who are having the crisis over this. It's adults.
It's easier to say that the reindeer are magical than that Santa is a completely different person.
by Valgora » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:21 pm
Katganistan wrote:Geneviev wrote:Yes, but if one Santa is white and the other one is black a child will think his race changed and it would be strange to explain.
He's a magic elf with flying reindeer who visits every kid on earth in one night, and you think his appearance is going to trigger an issue for kids?
Here's a helpful hint. It's not the kids who are having the crisis over this. It's adults.
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by Vassenor » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:29 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:40 pm
Cetacea wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
I did not feel the change made sense. Since Heimdall was supposed to be Sif's brother (but they kept Sif white). That wasn't mentioned in the movie so maybe its a comic only detail.
Even overlooking that, the planet is supposed to be largely based on Norse mythology so... why would there be non-whites in Norse mythology?
Yeah I don't understand the change...
But why is this an issue?
The Vikings were familiar with North Africans calling them blámaðr (Blue men), there were Norse mercenaries who fought the Moors in Spain and North African Merchants visited Jutland. The point being if Asgard is a planet that was dominated by Norse culture, then there is no reason to presume that there wouldnt be blámaðr on too
As to being Sifs brother, I know a couple of families where half-siblings are different colours/ethnicities
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