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by Rojava Free State » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:43 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Costa Fierro » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:49 pm
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Costa Fierro wrote:Ah, the local Facebook page that shared a post from someone who made a "comic" making disparaging comments about the person who portrayed Hana Kōkō that garnered national attention is now banning people who say that the criticism of it was racist.
I fucking hate this place.
What were people saying was racist about it?
by Katganistan » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:48 pm
Cetacea wrote:So while other countries deal with gun violence, climate change and child sex trafficking, New Zealand this month has faced no less than two controversies concerning Santa and whether Santa parades can have the jolly Elf portrayed 1) by a Women 2) by another ethnicity (in this case a NZ Maori dressed in a red feather cloak)
People have lost jobs over the debate, Media commentators have had a field day and City Mayors have been forced to apologies to the nation. The fact they are debating a fictional character/marketing gimmick seems to have been overlooked in favour of outrage about tradition and anti-PC-ism.
So oh festive revellers of NSG as we wait for the lolly scramble could you gift me with your opinions - would you be outraged/saddened or confused if your communities local public Santa was non-standard Gender or Ethnicity? Can Santa be portrayed as anything other than a fat old white man?
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national ... son-locals
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109054 ... aori-santa
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/108860 ... -the-boots
by Katganistan » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:54 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:I think it depends on the depiction and the logic behind it. There's been movies where Santa is a Rorschach for those around him and see him as their respective race/gender and how Santa is not actually any of them specifically.
This strikes me as acceptable and not inconsistent with the lore. There's also white dude depictions, likewise consistent with the lore given the characters history.
If you're depicting Santa as a christmas entity who is not and has not been human but just sort of happened, then depicting them as any race or gender seems fine to me provided it isn't asserted they are in fact that race/gender. (I.E, it's fine to have a santa who looks like a black woman. Because Santa is not a black woman, not a white man, and this is merely how they present themselves to us.).
If you're depicting Santa as Saint Nicholas or S.N who has transformed into a christmas entity, they pretty much should be a white male.
There's also a mishmash of these two by which you can portray Santa as Saint Nicholas who merged with the spirit of christmas, thereby ceasing to be solely a white male and capable of presenting differently, but who tends toward white maleness because it's what he's most used to.
And then we get to The Santa Clause depiction, where Santa is a title that is handed down upon the previous holders death. This interpretation is acceptable to have minorities and women too, but is likely to go over less well because it involves telling children who say "i thought Santa was a white guy" straight up "Santa's dead kid, i'm his understudy."
The worst of them is going "No, ur wrong, Santa was always a black woman."
If minorities or women are depicting Santa, they should roll with the first explanation. This might piss off some tribalists on both sides since it involves specific denial and rejection of "Black Santa" and so on at the same time as rejecting "White Santa.", but is the only means (other than Clause), by which Santa can be portrayed as a minority or woman without straining credulity beyond that which is normally expected for a Santa depiction.
In terms of "representation" however it also provides the most room to maneuver and allows multiple combinations of demographic to be presented throughout the event, and also provides a means for mall santas to explain away the situation in various means AND explain away how all the various white guy Santas look "Different.".
by Ostroeuropa » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:12 pm
Katganistan wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:I think it depends on the depiction and the logic behind it. There's been movies where Santa is a Rorschach for those around him and see him as their respective race/gender and how Santa is not actually any of them specifically.
This strikes me as acceptable and not inconsistent with the lore. There's also white dude depictions, likewise consistent with the lore given the characters history.
If you're depicting Santa as a christmas entity who is not and has not been human but just sort of happened, then depicting them as any race or gender seems fine to me provided it isn't asserted they are in fact that race/gender. (I.E, it's fine to have a santa who looks like a black woman. Because Santa is not a black woman, not a white man, and this is merely how they present themselves to us.).
If you're depicting Santa as Saint Nicholas or S.N who has transformed into a christmas entity, they pretty much should be a white male.
There's also a mishmash of these two by which you can portray Santa as Saint Nicholas who merged with the spirit of christmas, thereby ceasing to be solely a white male and capable of presenting differently, but who tends toward white maleness because it's what he's most used to.
And then we get to The Santa Clause depiction, where Santa is a title that is handed down upon the previous holders death. This interpretation is acceptable to have minorities and women too, but is likely to go over less well because it involves telling children who say "i thought Santa was a white guy" straight up "Santa's dead kid, i'm his understudy."
The worst of them is going "No, ur wrong, Santa was always a black woman."
If minorities or women are depicting Santa, they should roll with the first explanation. This might piss off some tribalists on both sides since it involves specific denial and rejection of "Black Santa" and so on at the same time as rejecting "White Santa.", but is the only means (other than Clause), by which Santa can be portrayed as a minority or woman without straining credulity beyond that which is normally expected for a Santa depiction.
In terms of "representation" however it also provides the most room to maneuver and allows multiple combinations of demographic to be presented throughout the event, and also provides a means for mall santas to explain away the situation in various means AND explain away how all the various white guy Santas look "Different.".
So let's think this through: Greeks are fat lily-white dudes with white beards now?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Greek+m ... 08&bih=667
Because St. Nicholas was Greek, and I'm not seeing anyone as lily white with button nose and cherry red cheeks here.
by The Alma Mater » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:48 am
Katganistan wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:I think it depends on the depiction and the logic behind it. There's been movies where Santa is a Rorschach for those around him and see him as their respective race/gender and how Santa is not actually any of them specifically.
This strikes me as acceptable and not inconsistent with the lore. There's also white dude depictions, likewise consistent with the lore given the characters history.
If you're depicting Santa as a christmas entity who is not and has not been human but just sort of happened, then depicting them as any race or gender seems fine to me provided it isn't asserted they are in fact that race/gender. (I.E, it's fine to have a santa who looks like a black woman. Because Santa is not a black woman, not a white man, and this is merely how they present themselves to us.).
If you're depicting Santa as Saint Nicholas or S.N who has transformed into a christmas entity, they pretty much should be a white male.
There's also a mishmash of these two by which you can portray Santa as Saint Nicholas who merged with the spirit of christmas, thereby ceasing to be solely a white male and capable of presenting differently, but who tends toward white maleness because it's what he's most used to.
And then we get to The Santa Clause depiction, where Santa is a title that is handed down upon the previous holders death. This interpretation is acceptable to have minorities and women too, but is likely to go over less well because it involves telling children who say "i thought Santa was a white guy" straight up "Santa's dead kid, i'm his understudy."
The worst of them is going "No, ur wrong, Santa was always a black woman."
If minorities or women are depicting Santa, they should roll with the first explanation. This might piss off some tribalists on both sides since it involves specific denial and rejection of "Black Santa" and so on at the same time as rejecting "White Santa.", but is the only means (other than Clause), by which Santa can be portrayed as a minority or woman without straining credulity beyond that which is normally expected for a Santa depiction.
In terms of "representation" however it also provides the most room to maneuver and allows multiple combinations of demographic to be presented throughout the event, and also provides a means for mall santas to explain away the situation in various means AND explain away how all the various white guy Santas look "Different.".
So let's think this through: Greeks are fat lily-white dudes with white beards now?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Greek+m ... 08&bih=667
Because St. Nicholas was Greek, and I'm not seeing anyone as lily white with button nose and cherry red cheeks here.
by Page » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:34 am
by Saiwania » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:35 am
by Costa Fierro » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:37 am
Saiwania wrote:The most common contemporary depiction of Santa (the white/fat/old one) was supposedly created by the Coca Cola company. It is purely a seasonal logo for retailers.
by The Sakhalinsk Empire » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:38 am
by The Free Joy State » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:00 am
Katganistan wrote:
So let's think this through: Greeks are fat lily-white dudes with white beards now?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Greek+m ... 08&bih=667
Because St. Nicholas was Greek, and I'm not seeing anyone as lily white with button nose and cherry red cheeks here.
Rev Otis Moss Jr, a regional director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, hit back [at claims that not hiring an African American Santa had nothing to do with equality], saying: "If a department store cannot conceive of a black man as Santa Claus for 30 days, it most assuredly cannot conceive of his being president or vice president for 365 days."
The store caved in and hired a black Santa the following year, something that began happening with increasing frequency across the country in the early 1970s, including at Macy's flagship New York store.
by TREY DAVIS » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:05 pm
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:44 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:What were people saying was racist about it?
Have a look through here.
by Hatterleigh » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:34 pm
Vassenor wrote:To follow up on what I said, a good chunk of the deities associated with the winter solstice are in fact female. Including, but not limited to Alcyone, Ameratasu, Bona Dea, Cailleach Bheur, Demeter, Frau Holle and Frigga, among others.
National News Network: William Botrum entering last days in office - President-elect Rood preparing or term
Overview of Hatterleigh | William Botrum, Hatterleigh's President | Hatterlese Embassy Program | I don't use NS stats.by Hatterleigh » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:39 pm
Katganistan wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:I think it depends on the depiction and the logic behind it. There's been movies where Santa is a Rorschach for those around him and see him as their respective race/gender and how Santa is not actually any of them specifically.
This strikes me as acceptable and not inconsistent with the lore. There's also white dude depictions, likewise consistent with the lore given the characters history.
If you're depicting Santa as a christmas entity who is not and has not been human but just sort of happened, then depicting them as any race or gender seems fine to me provided it isn't asserted they are in fact that race/gender. (I.E, it's fine to have a santa who looks like a black woman. Because Santa is not a black woman, not a white man, and this is merely how they present themselves to us.).
If you're depicting Santa as Saint Nicholas or S.N who has transformed into a christmas entity, they pretty much should be a white male.
There's also a mishmash of these two by which you can portray Santa as Saint Nicholas who merged with the spirit of christmas, thereby ceasing to be solely a white male and capable of presenting differently, but who tends toward white maleness because it's what he's most used to.
And then we get to The Santa Clause depiction, where Santa is a title that is handed down upon the previous holders death. This interpretation is acceptable to have minorities and women too, but is likely to go over less well because it involves telling children who say "i thought Santa was a white guy" straight up "Santa's dead kid, i'm his understudy."
The worst of them is going "No, ur wrong, Santa was always a black woman."
If minorities or women are depicting Santa, they should roll with the first explanation. This might piss off some tribalists on both sides since it involves specific denial and rejection of "Black Santa" and so on at the same time as rejecting "White Santa.", but is the only means (other than Clause), by which Santa can be portrayed as a minority or woman without straining credulity beyond that which is normally expected for a Santa depiction.
In terms of "representation" however it also provides the most room to maneuver and allows multiple combinations of demographic to be presented throughout the event, and also provides a means for mall santas to explain away the situation in various means AND explain away how all the various white guy Santas look "Different.".
So let's think this through: Greeks are fat lily-white dudes with white beards now?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Greek+m ... 08&bih=667
Because St. Nicholas was Greek, and I'm not seeing anyone as lily white with button nose and cherry red cheeks here.
National News Network: William Botrum entering last days in office - President-elect Rood preparing or term
Overview of Hatterleigh | William Botrum, Hatterleigh's President | Hatterlese Embassy Program | I don't use NS stats.by United Capitalist Federations » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:40 pm
by United Capitalist Federations » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:43 pm
Page wrote:It's the most wonderful time of the year, the time of Christmas themed reactionary outrage.
by Costa Fierro » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:20 pm
The Huskar Social Union wrote:
.....
*Owen Wilson saying wow meme*
Sweet fucking Odin, yeah i can see why they can call that racist.
by Valgora » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:22 pm
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by Napkiraly » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:25 pm
Valgora wrote:What I want to know is why the fuck did we make him fat?
by Xmara » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:16 pm
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