Ostroeuropa wrote:All? No. Some? Yes.
Which I've already said happens, so this comment is pointless.
Plenty of things, but lashing out to feel powerful by harming others is not necessarily about "gaining" anything other than a buzz from your predatory behavior.
You're the second person now to claim they gain "lots/plenty of things" without actually specifying what exactly they're gaining. Well, admittedly, you did mention a general hypothesis that could literally apply to any situation anywhere. Good job?
Prejudice and bias isn't a conspiracy. Racism isn't a conspiracy. Sexism isn't a conspiracy. Feminist misandry isn't a conspiracy.
This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen. Comparing "feminist misandry" (something that only exists in the minds of whiny, entitled little shits who are mad that women don't act like blow-up dolls for them) to racism. Holy fuck are you delusional. Come back to me when you get thrown into a concentration camp for being a man. I'll fucking wait.
And by "sexism" I assume you mean "misogyny," otherwise you're just being redundant. Misogyny and misandry are at least comparable, but yeah, sorry, misogyny is still the greater issue. Almost universally across the world, women are treated worse than men. One-third of women in the entire world have been abused.
Now, is female-on-male violence a taboo topic? Definitely, but I have some bad news for you: that's not feminism's fault. That's older than feminism, because men decided that men shouldn't talk about their feelings, and that if a woman beats you up, it means you're "weak" and "not a real man." This is part of what the feminists call "toxic masculinity"--which refers to ideas of "masculinity" that harmful to both women and men. But, of course, nuance like that gets completely lost in all of the false dichotomies and zero-sum game bullshit about how feminism is responsible for all of men's problems.
If you think people accusing feminists of sexism are necessarily accusing them of conscious and deliberate malice then that speaks volumes about you and why you're probably someone who thinks in a sexist way, you've never bothered to consider feminist bias and prejudice as possible and reflexively dismiss criticism of feminists as accusations of conspiracy, thus never self-reflecting.
Dude. Stop. Are some feminists assholes? Yep. Does that mean feminism is wrong? No. And this notion that "feminists are sexist." No, they're not. For the 50th fucking time: "FEMINISTS DON'T HATE MEN." There is no "battle of the sexes." No one's out to get you. Your entire comment is literally useless because it has nothing to do with anything I've said. "You've never bothered to consider feminist bias and prejudice as possible." Yes, I have. Of course I fucking have. The problem is that you've never bothered to consider that maybe feminists aren't a goddamned hivemind. Feminists aren't perfect. No one ever claimed they were. I'm an atheist. I don't agree with everything other atheists say/do. Does that mean I should stop being an atheist? That'd be stupid. You're literally just making ad hominem appeals. Ideals aren't correct/incorrect based on the people supporting them. Every single feminist could be a serial murderer, still wouldn't make feminism bad.
Oh look, it's a trite, flippant and vitriolic attack on men voicing their concerns about feminism and the way its harming them, driving them out of the conversation with abusive rhetoric and making it clear there's no point engaging with you because you'll come out with these kind of nonsense attacks.
"And the way it's harming them." I wasn't aware feminism was harming me. Oh, wait, it's not, you're just appealing to your battle of the sexes bullshit about how everytime women do anything, it's bad for men everywhere. Feminism isn't harming me, and it's not harming you either, you've just decided that the CEOs in the OP are your buds because they also happen to have penises. You're not the spokesperson of men (and thank god for that).
(Like, say, the CEOs who have decided to just withdraw rather than engage because you've made it clear you're not interested in conversation, only assertion of abusive dogma.).
Dude, I'm a socialist, try as hard as you want, I'm not gonna feel sympathy for CEOs. Even without #MeToo, I'd still say they belong in prison for being CEOs.
Know who else is afraid?
Plenty of normal men who've seen the way false accusations ruin lives.
Like who?
How about minority men? Feminist campus witch hunts disproportionately impact minorities, you know. Not that white men don't also have cause for concern.
Source?
Maybe if women were held accountable for rape more often they'd start being afraid of false accusations too, you ever think of that?
What? Are you referring to female-on-male rape or suggesting that women are responsible for male-on-female rape (I legitimately can't tell from your wording)? And, if they were held accountable they'd be afraid of false accusations? What? Those two things literally don't correlate. False accusations, by-definition, have nothing to do with accountability. This whole sentence was just word salad.
Me too. How do you know it wouldn't get very far? It has for plenty of men and ruined their lives.
You keep saying this. Please show me these "plenty of men." In fact, I can think of a couple of men who got accused of rape/assault and it didn't affect their lives, like Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, Donald Trump, Robert Mueller. And what about the women whose lives are ruined by sexual assault and their assaulter is never apprehended? Especially when some institutions are more willing to sweep the whole thing under the rug than deal with the bad PR of a sexual assault case.
2-10% of accusations reported to the police are false. Ones that don't report to the police are probably even higher. In many cases, a woman rapist accuses their victim to seize the initiative.
Source?
You're a feminist.
And?
What about women perpetrators? Curious that you ignored them here, almost like you're utilizing a sexist framework.
"Curious you've ignored them" when literally no one else (that I've seen) has mentioned them? (Also, nice try at the deflection, but literally every post I've responded to has posited the situation as "men vs. women," so they would be the ones "utilizing a sexist framework," I was responding to what they said).
But, since you've mentioned them, what about them?
Other than that, this is once again merely abusing your critics instead of engaging with them and gaslighting everyone over their intentions.
More victim complex bullshit. "Mommy, the mean FEMINAZI on the internet is saying rude things to me!" And funny you should mention "gaslighting everyone over their intentions" when that's literally been your entire post vis-a-vis feminism.
Courts have routinely ruled that the feminist demands about rape on campus violate due process rights of the accused. Are human rights a 1950s thing? Is violating peoples due process not dangerous?
https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/opinio ... 255570002/
"The feminist demands." There you go with those buzzwords again. "The feminists are doing this." "The feminists are doing that," because you don't see feminists as human beings right individual thoughts and ideas, you see them as a hivemind out to destroy you, like communists in the '50s. But I'll answer your question with a question, is allowing rapists to go free not dangerous? And of course, this is an obvious framing device meant to oversimplify the issue and make your position seem more agreeable. Politicians literally do this all of the time.
"Is violating peoples due process not dangerous?" Of course it is, few people would disagree with that. But this situation is more complicated than just due process. Should it be suspended entirely? No, but given the inherently hard-to-prove nature of rape, exceptions do have to be made where necessary. There are limits to people's rights. It's the same reason a cop can enter your home when the door's ajar. The same reason police can search kids at schools without a warrant or probable cause. The same reason you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Now, if you want to discuss where exactly the line should be drawn, that's a fine discussion to have, but positioning it as a battle of "rights vs. no rights" is disingenuous--and you know that.
You don't engage with reality, merely feminist paranoid lies about their critics and how they are secretly evil.
Says the guy whose entire argument boils down to, "Look! Feminists hate men! Look at how they're threatening us and taking away our rights!" And, bud, there's no "secretly" about it.
For someone throwing out the "Conspiracy" accusation, you're sure fond of it yourself.
Uh, and what conspiracy am I fond of, exactly? The "conspiracy" that a lot of men are assholes and treat women like garbage? Yeah, real unreasonable that.
No, our criticism is what we say it is and rooted in that,
Rooted in what?
and if you can't honestly engage with it and have to resort to accusing people of being secretly part of a plot to hurt women,
Literally never said nor implied that. Nice try, though.
that speaks volumes about the kind of movement you're in and the coherency of its arguments.
Argument #4350 implying that feminists are a massive hivemind conspiring to take down men.
You're no better than someone who screams "You just hate jesus!" in response to criticism of theocracy, that's the level you and your peers operate at.
And your paranoid delusions about the evils of the "feminist movement" are just like McCarthyites insisting there's a communist on every corner waiting to take all your FREEDUMZ.
Meanwhile the rest of us deal with shit like due process violations and criticism of your hate movement and its push to violate legislatively guaranteed human rights.
More shit about how feminists are trying to take away men's rights, yada yada.
While you go around throwing out abusive lies about your critics intent and refusing to deal with the evidence they show you,
You've posted literally one link.
we deal with actual evidence of your movements misconduct and don't comment on your intent,
My "movement?" I wasn't aware I was now the leader of the Global Feminist Movement. My first decree will now be milk and cookies at every meeting! And I know you don't focus on its intent, you focus on the intent you've made up in your mind about how feminists hate men and are trying to commit global male genocide or something stupid like that. Oh no, wait, that's right they're trying to take away our RIGHTS (just like those damn commies!).
you are projecting your own flaws on to us. Not everyone thinks like feminists do, sorry to break it to you.
Yada yada "feminists are a hivemind" yada.
The reason you've come out with such abusive tactics is that feminism is a hate movement that doesn't actually engage with its critics,
"Abusive tactics."
Dude, I made fun of you on the internet. Oh my god, you are the whiniest goddamned baby I've seen in a long time. I sincerely hope you never meet an actually dangerous person because you'll probably shit yourself.because the only way feminists can keep believing in feminism is if they mentally shut down and resort to logical fallacies and tribalism to insulate the adherent from evidence against their nonsense, just like you are doing here. So there's constant buzz phrases circulated between feminists that these people *think* is a coherent argument, but boils down to "You're evil and I don't have to listen to you or engage with your evidence!" over and over. You're like if someone said "The only reason someone would push the lie about global warming is that they hate america and want china to win.".
I also love how you think you're being so smart right now. You're not. There's nothing to engage with, because you've made no legitimate critiques. It's literally just been nothing but fearmongering bullshit about how the feminists are coming to take away er RIGHTZ! It's all the same shit that red pillers, incels, and MGTOWs say every time they open their mouths.
You want to hear some actually good criticsms of (some) feminists? Women of color are heavily marginalized in a lot of the feminist movement. In fact, white supremacy is pretty fucking rampant in some areas. Some feminists are extremely elitist and disdainful towards poor women. Some feminists think the sex workers are sub-human. Some feminists are homophobic. Some are transphobic. These are all legitimate problems. You know what isn't, though? Your paranoid delusion that feminists are trying to take away your rights. No one wants to take away your rights. No one gives a shit about you. You literally don't even register for most feminists. In fact, most would just ignore you. There is no great battle of the sexes. Men's rights aren't going anywhere. Quit reading The Red Pill and go out into the real world and actually meet some real life feminists (assuming you can get over your crippling fear of women, of course, but don't worry I believe in you!).
