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Postby Caracasus » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:11 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:Apologism for a white supremacist. Very passive-aggressive.


Are questions apologies now?
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Of course not. Spencer is a terrible example to use.


So, why is Spencer a bad person because you disagree with him. But people I disagree with aren't?


I think the thing is Spenser is a bad person because he is white supremacist. He'd still be a bad person whether or not anyone agreed or disagreed with him.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:11 am

Luminesa wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I think he rigged the election. He ought to face a federal investigation

> Walker’s election was rigged.
> “Haha you’re just salty!”
> Kemp is winning.
> “Investigation!”

If only you knew the lack of self-awareness in this set of posts.


No, there's a real possibility that Kemp's actions in possible voter suppression may have given him the victory. The GBI's already investigating him because of his claims that the Democrats hacked into the system without proof.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:12 am

San Lumen wrote:Cnn has projected Jon Tester has won another term

I think it's clear we win the Mississippi runoff, so things come down to Arizona.

And Florida is being Florida still so maybe that too.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:12 am

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Petrasylvania wrote:And we've established you don't think white supremacy is bad.


Man if that's what you've gotten out of it you need to take some night classes for English lol

You should do a little remedial English yourself if "deduction" and "inference" never occur to you as words, much less concepts. :^]
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:13 am

Corrian wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Walker’s election was rigged.
> “Haha you’re just salty!”
> Kemp is winning.
> “Investigation!”

If only you knew the lack of self-awareness in this set of posts.

Kemp may have legitimately rigged things though. He did a lot of shitty things beforehand.

It ain't rigging if it's legal.

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Postby Corrian » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:13 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Probably not. But it could move Nelson into hand recount territory. Who knows maybe Nelson ends up winning

and maybe Gillum might but i wont hold my breath. Im very disappointed in Florida

Gillum already conceded
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:13 am

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Cnn has projected Jon Tester has won another term

I think it's clear we win the Mississippi runoff, so things come down to Arizona.

And Florida is being Florida still so maybe that too.

Maybe Mississippi will flip but I doubt they will elect a African American senator as the state is too racially polarized. But its black population is much higher than Alabama so if they turn out in record numbers it could happen but again not holding my breath,

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:13 am

San Lumen wrote:
Corrian wrote:Kemp may have legitimately rigged things though. He did a lot of shitty things beforehand.

Republicans see free and fair elections as an annoyance


That's not completely true. If it was, Utah would've soundly rejected a redistricting commission as opposed to it being very close right now.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:14 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Man if that's what you've gotten out of it you need to take some night classes for English lol

You should do a little remedial English yourself if "deduction" and "inference" never occur to you as words, much less concepts. :^]


You're just totally missing his point though.

Like it's blatantly obvious what he's doing and you're either just incapable of understanding it or you're ignoring it and just trying to call him a white supremacist because you like to project.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:15 am

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I think it's clear we win the Mississippi runoff, so things come down to Arizona.

And Florida is being Florida still so maybe that too.

Maybe Mississippi will flip but I doubt they will elect a African American senator as the state is too racially polarized. But its black population is much higher than Alabama so if they turn out in record numbers it could happen but again not holding my breath,


No, if we take McDaniel's votes and make Hyde-Smith their 2nd preference, it isn't even close. She gets 58% of the vote in such a scenario.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:15 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Republicans see free and fair elections as an annoyance


That's not completely true. If it was, Utah would've soundly rejected a redistricting commission as opposed to it being very close right now.

Michigan approved a redistricting amendment.That has huge implications for 2022 as Michigan is one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Democrats would likely have won the legislature if it wasn't for gerrymandering.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:16 am

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San Lumen wrote:Why are you using him as an example

The game is that Telconi's going to keep asking if you disagree with him, then when you say that you do he'll start jumping up and down going "See! See! You think he's bad because he disagrees with you!" and somehow this will prove something.

That Telc has the wind up key to Lumen and uses it like it's his favorite toy.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:16 am

San Lumen wrote:Michigan approved a redistricting amendment.That has huge implications for 2022 as Michigan is one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Democrats would likely have won the legislature if it wasn't for gerrymandering.

Democrats also got Wisconsin, which might be able to change the situation there.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:17 am

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Michigan approved a redistricting amendment.That has huge implications for 2022 as Michigan is one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Democrats would likely have won the legislature if it wasn't for gerrymandering.

Democrats also got Wisconsin, which might be able to change the situation there.

it will as Evers will almost certainly veto another Republican Gerrymander.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:17 am

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
That's not completely true. If it was, Utah would've soundly rejected a redistricting commission as opposed to it being very close right now.

Michigan approved a redistricting amendment.That has huge implications for 2022 as Michigan is one of the most gerrymandered states in the country. Democrats would likely have won the legislature if it wasn't for gerrymandering.


That reminds me, I need to get all of those done....
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:18 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:You should do a little remedial English yourself if "deduction" and "inference" never occur to you as words, much less concepts. :^]


You're just totally missing his point though.

Like it's blatantly obvious what he's doing and you're either just incapable of understanding it or you're ignoring it and just trying to call him a white supremacist because you like to project.

Disingenuosly ignoring someone's record of white supremacy just to claim that disliking that individual solely boils down to disagreeing with their political views?
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Postby Corrian » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Corrian wrote:Democrats also got Wisconsin, which might be able to change the situation there.

it will as Evers will almost certainly veto another Republican Gerrymander.

I'm also curious how may state legislatures flipped nationwide. That's where I see the biggest gains must be.
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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:20 am

Overall I would suggest it was a decent night to be a Demcorat. Good numbers in the House with some good candidates.
The Senate was a bit more disappointing than I anticipated. I knew Donnelly, Heitkamp and McCaskill were in hot water, but their margins were larger than I expected. Sinema appears to have fallen short too.

I was only really surprised by Florida. I thought Nelson would be alright, and looking at Gillum's polling and the campaign in totality, it appeared he was on the path to a victory.

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Postby Arlenton » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:20 am

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I think it's clear we win the Mississippi runoff, so things come down to Arizona.

And Florida is being Florida still so maybe that too.

Maybe Mississippi will flip but I doubt they will elect a African American senator as the state is too racially polarized. But its black population is much higher than Alabama so if they turn out in record numbers it could happen but again not holding my breath,

They'd need a horrible Republican like Roy Moore to pull another Alabama.

Cindy Hyde-Smith is not a Roy Moore, so the white population won't sit it out.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:21 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You're just totally missing his point though.

Like it's blatantly obvious what he's doing and you're either just incapable of understanding it or you're ignoring it and just trying to call him a white supremacist because you like to project.

Disingenuosly ignoring someone's record of white supremacy just to claim that disliking that individual solely boils down to disagreeing with their political views?


White nationalism is a political view. It's a perfectly valid point.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:21 am

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:it will as Evers will almost certainly veto another Republican Gerrymander.

I'm also curious how may state legislatures flipped nationwide. That's where I see the biggest gains must be.

As far as I know the Maine Senate, Colorado Senate, Minnesota House, Connecticut Senate, New York Senate, and the New Hampshire legislature.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:21 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The game is that Telconi's going to keep asking if you disagree with him, then when you say that you do he'll start jumping up and down going "See! See! You think he's bad because he disagrees with you!" and somehow this will prove something.

That Telc has the wind up key to Lumen and uses it like it's his favorite toy.


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:21 am

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Overall I would suggest it was a decent night to be a Demcorat. Good numbers in the House with some good candidates.
The Senate was a bit more disappointing than I anticipated. I knew Donnelly, Heitkamp and McCaskill were in hot water, but their margins were larger than I expected. Sinema appears to have fallen short too.

I was only really surprised by Florida. I thought Nelson would be alright, and looking at Gillum's polling and the campaign in totality, it appeared he was on the path to a victory.

I think there was Bradley effect to be honest.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:22 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You're just totally missing his point though.

Like it's blatantly obvious what he's doing and you're either just incapable of understanding it or you're ignoring it and just trying to call him a white supremacist because you like to project.

Disingenuosly ignoring someone's record of white supremacy just to claim that disliking that individual solely boils down to disagreeing with their political views?


What, uh, "record of white supremacy" is this?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:23 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Disingenuosly ignoring someone's record of white supremacy just to claim that disliking that individual solely boils down to disagreeing with their political views?


White nationalism is a political view. It's a perfectly valid point.

"Jews Will Not Replace Us" is now a valid political view. Lovely.
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