Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[Western Vale Confederacy]

As if Buzzfeed laying off staff in the US wasn't enough, today morning they announced they're firing half their London newsroom.

It's like a dream.

Believe it or not, one can only consume so many crypto-tabloids before they realize "Wait a minute, this isn't news, this is trash!".

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

So my state (Indiana) is trying to pass a bill that lets schools study the bible and teach Creationism. I like the bible part, as I'm against secularism, but I thought the Fundamentalist-Modernist debates were over. Schools should be allowed to study the Bible (given its massive importance in society), but why Creationism? That will surely get it struck down, while only having the bible portion could lead to the conservative leaning court to undo some of the aggressive secularism mandated by the New Deal courts.

I agree that schools should be allowed to study the Bible, but I’m also of the view that schools should be allowed (and hopefully mandated) to study Religious and Philosophical texts in general. A proper education requires rigorous examination of the nature of the Good, so that the (metaphorical) heart/spirit is as well-educated as the mind/intellect.

It seems best that the “moral curriculum” would be divided into the theoretical aspects of the Good, and the applied/practical aspects of the Good. The theoretical curriculum would focus on the study, analysis, interpretation, and discussion of religious and philosophical texts, with an emphasis on determining the core values by which moral reasoning and duties are based (compassion, perhaps?)

The applied/practical curriculum would focus on training the youth into model citizens, united in brotherhood and driven by a sense of civic duty, so as to ensure that the social fabric of society remains untorn by the twin threats of strife and disillusionment.

And I’ve lost my train of thought while writing this post. Any thoughts on my proposal? It isn’t a particularly coherent one yet, and I apologize for that...

[Darussalam]

Well, those people are particularly stupid in this case.

Kinda like those who fell for the "Okay sign = White Power sign" meme.

The "ok sign = white power" meme is representative of a broader mode of the alt-right appropriating Internet culture to hide themselves under the "it's just a joke, braah" defense and artificially increase the appearance of their numbers while also transforming it into the gateway to alt-right neo-fascism.

Pepe the Frog is not your friend.

lmao cringe

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The "ok sign = white power" meme is representative of a broader mode of the alt-right appropriating Internet culture to hide themselves under the "it's just a joke, braah" defense and artificially increase the appearance of their numbers while also transforming it into the gateway to alt-right neo-fascism.

Pepe the Frog is not your friend.

lmao cringe

I was speaking about how the alt-right weaponizes memes, and he literally goes and confirms why it's effective..

WTF man!

[Forsher]

The left fucking despises memes, go figure.

It might sound cringy, but memes have become an integral aspect of politics.

They are the most effective way of getting that young demographic...

Memes are understandable because they match certain expectations. That is, memes have an uphill battle when it comes to functioning as persuasive tools so I'm not sure they can "get" a younger demographic even as they may achieve success in affirming group membership. That last point may or may not translate to increased turnout.

Consider the you know the "the floor is" meme format? Well, The Floor is [some kind tax proposal]. Caption. "Us". Is the point that the tax is bad or that people have a dumb attitude towards the tax?

This is incidentally the only political meme I can actually recall. It's not a made-up example.

As if Buzzfeed laying off staff in the US wasn't enough, today morning they announced they're firing half their London newsroom.

It's like a dream.

Believe it or not, one can only consume so many crypto-tabloids before they realize "Wait a minute, this isn't news, this is trash!".

I disagree... I regularly get clickbaited into reading actual articles when I want to read listicles. It's a real problem.

Which brings me to my point... I'm trying to clickbait you, this thread, into participating in my totally awesome survey. It needs some rightwing opinions, guys. The Left is dominating yah.

[Valrifell]

The "ok sign = white power" meme is representative of a broader mode of the alt-right appropriating Internet culture to hide themselves under the "it's just a joke, braah" defense and artificially increase the appearance of their numbers while also transforming it into the gateway to alt-right neo-fascism.

Pepe the Frog is not your friend.

>Le memes are a gateway to the altright meme

If the meme is used mostly by non-altright, then how is it a gateway to the altright?

Because it's usage is heavily linked with the alt-right, right? So, if you like Pepe memes, algorithms feed you more because most sites know that you'll keep watching them longer if they put more frogs in your face. It's only a matter of time before you see a MAGA version of the frog or a Nazi version, "lol these Nazi guys are funi" becomes "lol these Nazi guys kind of have a point, liberals are stupid!"

[West Leas Oros 2]

They are the most effective way of getting that young demographic...

And frankly, the right are much more effective at using 'em.

Chuck Schumer going "plz stop memeing" was a shot in the foot for him.

To be fair, communists and anarchists have decent memes. It’s the goddamn liberals who can’t meme.

[Valrifell]

The "ok sign = white power" meme is representative of a broader mode of the alt-right appropriating Internet culture to hide themselves under the "it's just a joke, braah" defense and artificially increase the appearance of their numbers while also transforming it into the gateway to alt-right neo-fascism.

Pepe the Frog is not your friend.

lmao cringe

I'm not on the side of the spectrum that relies on memes in place of personality.

[Valrifell]

>Le memes are a gateway to the altright meme

If the meme is used mostly by non-altright, then how is it a gateway to the altright?

The left fucking despises memes, go figure.

It might sound cringy, but memes have become an integral aspect of politics.

Orwell was right!

(Also you're right, it does sound cringy and stupid)

[Frievolk]

>Le memes are a gateway to the altright meme

If the meme is used mostly by non-altright, then how is it a gateway to the altright?

The left fucking despises memes, go figure.

It might sound cringy, but memes have become an integral aspect of politics.

Its less cringy than most people think actually. The culture of "non-serious art or literary pieces influencing politics" has been around since people started publishing newspapers. The Meme having an effect on the politics (and various political entities trying to ride that) is no less cringy than cartoons or fluff pieces in old newspapers having an effect. The meme just has a larger effect because more people can create media that is consumed on a large scale nowadays than they could, say, 50 years ago.

[Hakons]

So my state (Indiana) is trying to pass a bill that lets schools study the bible and teach Creationism. I like the bible part, as I'm against secularism, but I thought the Fundamentalist-Modernist debates were over. Schools should be allowed to study the Bible (given its massive importance in society), but why Creationism? That will surely get it struck down, while only having the bible portion could lead to the conservative leaning court to undo some of the aggressive secularism mandated by the New Deal courts.

I agree that schools should be allowed to study the Bible, but I’m also of the view that schools should be allowed (and hopefully mandated) to study Religious and Philosophical texts in general. A proper education requires rigorous examination of the nature of the Good, so that the (metaphorical) heart/spirit is as well-educated as the mind/intellect.

It seems best that the “moral curriculum” would be divided into the theoretical aspects of the Good, and the applied/practical aspects of the Good. The theoretical curriculum would focus on the study, analysis, interpretation, and discussion of religious and philosophical texts, with an emphasis on determining the core values by which moral reasoning and duties are based (compassion, perhaps?)

The applied/practical curriculum would focus on training the youth into model citizens, united in brotherhood and driven by a sense of civic duty, so as to ensure that the social fabric of society remains untorn by the twin threats of strife and disillusionment.

And I’ve lost my train of thought while writing this post. Any thoughts on my proposal? It isn’t a particularly coherent one yet, and I apologize for that...

Yes, ethics classes would be good. Elementary Schools do a good job at encouraging good character traits, but secondary education is devoid of any study of ethics or morals (even though this is the time kids are developing their own ethics and morals).

[The Empire of Pretantia]

>Le memes are a gateway to the altright meme

If the meme is used mostly by non-altright, then how is it a gateway to the altright?

Because it's usage is heavily linked with the alt-right, right?

Its usage is heavily linked with every motherfucker on the internet. It's "Hitler wore pants ergo pants are Nazi" tier.

[Painisia]

I never knew that Francoist Spain was so groovy

https://youtu.be/B8hEuSawEAU

[Novus America]

The left fucking despises memes, go figure.

It might sound cringy, but memes have become an integral aspect of politics.

Its less cringy than most people think actually. The culture of "non-serious art or literary pieces influencing politics" has been around since people started publishing newspapers. The Meme having an effect on the politics (and various political entities trying to ride that) is no less cringy than cartoons or fluff pieces in old newspapers having an effect. The meme just has a larger effect because more people can create media that is consumed on a large scale nowadays than they could, say, 50 years ago.

Even before that. Even the Romans and Ancient Greeks had memes in politics.

Simplifying complex ideas into simple slogans, pictures and personifications has been around as long as politics. Hell you can say it goes back to cave paintings.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Its less cringy than most people think actually. The culture of "non-serious art or literary pieces influencing politics" has been around since people started publishing newspapers. The Meme having an effect on the politics (and various political entities trying to ride that) is no less cringy than cartoons or fluff pieces in old newspapers having an effect. The meme just has a larger effect because more people can create media that is consumed on a large scale nowadays than they could, say, 50 years ago.

Even before that. Even the Romans and Ancient Greeks had memes in politics.

Simplifying complex ideas into simple slogans, pictures and personifications has been around as long as politics. Hell you can say it goes back to cave paintings.

I mean, just think about what the word “meme” means. It’s no wonder it’s a driving political force.

[Kowani]

So my state (Indiana) is trying to pass a bill that lets schools study the bible and teach Creationism. I like the bible part, as I'm against secularism, but I thought the Fundamentalist-Modernist debates were over. Schools should be allowed to study the Bible (given its massive importance in society), but why Creationism? That will surely get it struck down, while only having the bible portion could lead to the conservative leaning court to undo some of the aggressive secularism mandated by the New Deal courts.

Nope. Church and State should remain separate. If a private school wants to do it, congratulations! Have fun. Teach whatever you want. A public school, funded with taxpayer money? No. In history class, fine, but not as the focal point of the class. If you must teach it, then teach it the same way you would the Vedas, or the Qu’ran-an interesting piece of history, but the school itself may not promote a viewpoint as to accuratecy or veracity.

[Joohan]

lmao cringe

I'm not on the side of the spectrum that relies on memes in place of personality.

Memes and trolling are today what long hair and protest songs were 50 years ago. The current counter culture using an edgy humor and entertainment to spread a subversive message against the appalled establishment.

Heck dude, look at your sig

[Forsher]

I'm not on the side of the spectrum that relies on memes in place of personality.

Memes and trolling are today what long hair and protest songs were 50 years ago. The current counter culture using an edgy humor and entertainment to spread a subversive message against the appalled establishment.

Heck dude, look at your sig

Am I missing a layer to the Simon and Garfunkel reference?

(I mean aside from The Boxer being the obviously superior song and At The Zoo lending itself better to subversive messages, e.g. "you can take a crosstown bus if it's raining or it's cold/and the animals will love it if you do" or "the zookeeper is very fond of rum".)

[Joohan]

Memes and trolling are today what long hair and protest songs were 50 years ago. The current counter culture using an edgy humor and entertainment to spread a subversive message against the appalled establishment.

Heck dude, look at your sig

Am I missing a layer to the Simon and Garfunkel reference?

(I mean aside from The Boxer being the obviously superior song and At The Zoo lending itself better to subversive messages, e.g. "you can take a crosstown bus if it's raining or it's cold/and the animals will love it if you do" or "the zookeeper is very fond of rum".)

Simon and Garfunkel were considered subversive singers during the counter culture of the 60's and 70's. Not as radical as say Hendrix or Ozzy, but dissident nonetheless

[Forsher]

Am I missing a layer to the Simon and Garfunkel reference?

(I mean aside from The Boxer being the obviously superior song and At The Zoo lending itself better to subversive messages, e.g. "you can take a crosstown bus if it's raining or it's cold/and the animals will love it if you do" or "the zookeeper is very fond of rum".)

Simon and Garfunkel were considered subversive singers during the counter culture of the 60's and 70's. Not as radical as say Hendrix or Ozzy, but dissident nonetheless

Interesting. Especially given I would probably call them easy listening these days.

[Proctopeo]

lmao cringe

I'm not on the side of the spectrum that relies on memes in place of personality.

Hey, if we're gonna be making broad generalizations, it's better than the left which relies on sexuality and gender in place of personality

[Joohan]

I'm not on the side of the spectrum that relies on memes in place of personality.

Hey, if we're gonna be making broad generalizations, it's better than the left which relies on sexuality and gender in place of personality

[Nea Byzantia]

Had the Russian Empire not been defeated in World War I and/or no Civil War had occurred, the 20th Century probably would've been the Russian Century.

I agree.

Imagine if the Byzantine Empire never tell? I know that's vague and heavily dependent on when the point of departure from our own timeline is, but such is alt-history.

Byzantium and Tsarist Russia are the two greatest empires in my opinion...but maybe that's just me being biased because I'm Greek and Orthodox.

[Salus Maior]

Had the Russian Empire not been defeated in World War I and/or no Civil War had occurred, the 20th Century probably would've been the Russian Century.

I agree.

Imagine if the Byzantine Empire never tell? I know that's vague and heavily dependent on when the point of departure from our own timeline is, but such is alt-history.

Byzantium and Tsarist Russia are the two greatest empires in my opinion...but maybe that's just me being biased because I'm Greek and Orthodox.

Maybe a little

Although I'm a fan of Russia too, to some extent.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not on the side of the spectrum that relies on memes in place of personality.

Hey, if we're gonna be making broad generalizations, it's better than the left which relies on sexuality and gender and race in place of personality

More correct.