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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:55 pm

The Eternal Aulus wrote:
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Again, I consider it to be an unnecessary aspect of Islam (i.e. everything has to be Arabic somehow).

Like I said, Catholics don't go around speaking Latin, they speak in their native tongue (and that includes the religious texts, which have been translated into God knows how many languages).

Because sometimes the essence of words become lost in translation. This is especially the case in most Semitic languages which have words and/or wordplay which may loose its meaning when translated. I think staying close to the ''source language'', or original language as you will, is very important especially for religions. It's also why Arabic is considered a subject of theology in the classical Islamic educational curriculum.

That's why the Roman Catholic Church kept its mass in Latin until the Second Vatican Council. And they still do in Tridentine mass.

But even latin mass only Catholics don't walk around throwing random chunks of latin at people.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:21 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Eternal Aulus wrote:Because sometimes the essence of words become lost in translation. This is especially the case in most Semitic languages which have words and/or wordplay which may loose its meaning when translated. I think staying close to the ''source language'', or original language as you will, is very important especially for religions. It's also why Arabic is considered a subject of theology in the classical Islamic educational curriculum.

That's why the Roman Catholic Church kept its mass in Latin until the Second Vatican Council. And they still do in Tridentine mass.

But even latin mass only Catholics don't walk around throwing random chunks of latin at people.

It's not random, and it's towards fellow Muslims.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:23 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Diopolis wrote:But even latin mass only Catholics don't walk around throwing random chunks of latin at people.

It's not random, and it's towards fellow Muslims.


Yeah, we both know this is not true.

You have spoken in Arabic as a response to English people or news articles.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:24 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Eternal Aulus wrote:Because sometimes the essence of words become lost in translation. This is especially the case in most Semitic languages which have words and/or wordplay which may loose its meaning when translated. I think staying close to the ''source language'', or original language as you will, is very important especially for religions. It's also why Arabic is considered a subject of theology in the classical Islamic educational curriculum.

That's why the Roman Catholic Church kept its mass in Latin until the Second Vatican Council. And they still do in Tridentine mass.

But even latin mass only Catholics don't walk around throwing random chunks of latin at people.

Hic quidam male interpretatur Latine missa, BITCH! /s /s /s

please don't kill me mods I'm just making a joke

But yea, nobody speaks Latin at mass. It's almost a dead language.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:25 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's not random, and it's towards fellow Muslims.


Yeah, we both know this is not true.

You have spoken in Arabic as a response to English people or news articles.

I thought you were talking about in life, not on NSG.
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Postby Camelone » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:28 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Diopolis wrote:But even latin mass only Catholics don't walk around throwing random chunks of latin at people.

Hic quidam male interpretatur Latine missa, BITCH! /s /s /s

please don't kill me mods I'm just making a joke

But yea, nobody speaks Latin at mass. It's almost a dead language.

Eh depends on your jurisdiction and if your bishop allows it. It is making a comeback, or at least some Latin is returning to the Mass but besides that yes you are right it is pretty much dead.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:29 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Diopolis wrote:But even latin mass only Catholics don't walk around throwing random chunks of latin at people.

Hic quidam male interpretatur Latine missa, BITCH! /s /s /s

please don't kill me mods I'm just making a joke

But yea, nobody speaks Latin at mass. It's almost a dead language.


The only Catholic I have ever seen speaking Latin is the Pope, and I am pretty sure that most of the lil' ones in Saint Peter's Square don't understand much of it.

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Postby Camelone » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:33 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Hic quidam male interpretatur Latine missa, BITCH! /s /s /s

please don't kill me mods I'm just making a joke

But yea, nobody speaks Latin at mass. It's almost a dead language.


The only Catholic I have ever seen speaking Latin is the Pope, and I am pretty sure that most of the lil' ones in Saint Peter's Square don't understand much of it.

I still think Latin is an important language for the clergy to learn though so that clergymen from all over the world have a language they all understand. Also Latin makes it much more doable to minimize conflict in parish when they get separated into an English Mass at one time and a Spanish Mass at another. Granted I'm an Anglican now and not a Roman Catholic but I can see the logic of using Latin in a situation like that.
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Postby Camelone » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:37 pm

On the topic of language what is everyone's opinion on constructed languages and their uses in a political context, good, bad, the road to complete government control over how people speak and think?
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:48 pm

Camelone wrote:On the topic of language what is everyone's opinion on constructed languages and their uses in a political context, good, bad, the road to complete government control over how people speak and think?


Constructed languages are both good and a road to complete government control over how people speak and think; for without the benevolent order and structure provided by a (preferably nigh-omnipotent) state, most of humanity would slaughter itself in a war of all against all, and that’d be a terrible fate. Hey, that rhymes; that’s somewhat kewl!

But perhaps that’s too authoritarian... any other thoughts on the matter? I apologize if I’ve been impolite in any way whatsoever; I don’t wish to be cruel and or rude.
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Postby Camelone » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:53 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Camelone wrote:On the topic of language what is everyone's opinion on constructed languages and their uses in a political context, good, bad, the road to complete government control over how people speak and think?


Constructed languages are both good and a road to complete government control over how people speak and think; for without the benevolent order and structure provided by a (preferably nigh-omnipotent) state, most of humanity would slaughter itself in a war of all against all, and that’d be a terrible fate. Hey, that rhymes; that’s somewhat kewl!

But perhaps that’s too authoritarian... any other thoughts on the matter? I apologize if I’ve been impolite in any way whatsoever; I don’t wish to be cruel and or rude.

I've always had this fascination with constructed languages ever since I was introduced to Esperanto and my own imagination always thought that breaking the three main languages of North America, English, Spanish, and French into their original Germanic roots and adding loanwords from Native American languages would be a cool project. I've begun to think that a constructed language could be a way to forge a new identity but it would hopefully be open sourced and transparent, I know a very idealistic and pie in the sky thinking but it sounds like a fun project anyways. This is of course with America in mind.
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Postby Sirocca » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:01 pm

Camelone wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Constructed languages are both good and a road to complete government control over how people speak and think; for without the benevolent order and structure provided by a (preferably nigh-omnipotent) state, most of humanity would slaughter itself in a war of all against all, and that’d be a terrible fate. Hey, that rhymes; that’s somewhat kewl!

But perhaps that’s too authoritarian... any other thoughts on the matter? I apologize if I’ve been impolite in any way whatsoever; I don’t wish to be cruel and or rude.

I've always had this fascination with constructed languages ever since I was introduced to Esperanto and my own imagination always thought that breaking the three main languages of North America, English, Spanish, and French into their original Germanic roots and adding loanwords from Native American languages would be a cool project. I've begun to think that a constructed language could be a way to forge a new identity but it would hopefully be open sourced and transparent, I know a very idealistic and pie in the sky thinking but it sounds like a fun project anyways. This is of course with America in mind.

I thought you mean in a political or social context here.

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Postby Joohan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:01 pm

Camelone wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Constructed languages are both good and a road to complete government control over how people speak and think; for without the benevolent order and structure provided by a (preferably nigh-omnipotent) state, most of humanity would slaughter itself in a war of all against all, and that’d be a terrible fate. Hey, that rhymes; that’s somewhat kewl!

But perhaps that’s too authoritarian... any other thoughts on the matter? I apologize if I’ve been impolite in any way whatsoever; I don’t wish to be cruel and or rude.

I've always had this fascination with constructed languages ever since I was introduced to Esperanto and my own imagination always thought that breaking the three main languages of North America, English, Spanish, and French into their original Germanic roots and adding loanwords from Native American languages would be a cool project. I've begun to think that a constructed language could be a way to forge a new identity but it would hopefully be open sourced and transparent, I know a very idealistic and pie in the sky thinking but it sounds like a fun project anyways. This is of course with America in mind.


You know " it " isn't a word in spanish?

Think of just how useful the word " it " is! Makes me think, what other super useful words and phrases do other languages have that we could tac onto english to make it a SUPER LANGUAGE

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:02 pm

Luminesa wrote:DI for mod.

I second this motion.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:14 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Luminesa wrote:DI for mod.

I second this motion.


DI will lead NS into a new era of peace and justice.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:27 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Eternal Aulus wrote:It's an Islamic greeting. It literally means ''may peace and the blessings of God be on you as well''.


Is it really necessary to pronounce it in Arabic, though?

I wasn't throwing around Latin words when I was still a Catholic...


Even with masses now mostly in vernacular, Catholics and even many Protestants still use Latin words and phrases liturgically, e g Gloria in excelsis Deo.
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Postby Sirocca » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:45 pm

I would love to see those on the right take back their culture one day.
I have become even more resentful lately. I now believe in an eye for an eye.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:47 pm

Sirocca wrote:I would love to see those on the right take back their culture one day.
I have become even more resentful lately. I now believe in an eye for an eye.

What are you talking about?
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Postby Joohan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sirocca wrote:I would love to see those on the right take back their culture one day.
I have become even more resentful lately. I now believe in an eye for an eye.

What are you talking about?


Early stages of right wing.

Hasnt edged out yet

- basic populist republican

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:57 pm

Joohan wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?


Early stages of right wing.

Hasnt edged out yet

- basic populist republican


I'll keep meditating on my radical centrist golden pyramid.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:05 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Early stages of right wing.

Hasnt edged out yet

- basic populist republican


I'll keep meditating on my radical centrist golden pyramid.

Gold is the most ancap color, friend.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:05 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Early stages of right wing.

Hasnt edged out yet

- basic populist republican


I'll keep meditating on my radical centrist golden pyramid.


Join the benevolent authoritarian side (like me), in the name of peace and harmony and plenty and absolute order forever.

EDIT: We must save humanity from itself, so that we may rise beyond slaughtering each other over bread. The state must become an almighty world-encompassing leviathan to ensure stability and justice for all time and for the good of all humanity. Or, that’s my view, at least.
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Postby Sirocca » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:06 pm

Joohan wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?


Early stages of right wing.

Hasnt edged out yet

- basic populist republican


Is that regarding me?

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Postby Joohan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:07 pm

Sirocca wrote:
Joohan wrote:
Early stages of right wing.

Hasnt edged out yet

- basic populist republican


Is that regarding me?


yes

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:09 pm

Camelone wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Constructed languages are both good and a road to complete government control over how people speak and think; for without the benevolent order and structure provided by a (preferably nigh-omnipotent) state, most of humanity would slaughter itself in a war of all against all, and that’d be a terrible fate. Hey, that rhymes; that’s somewhat kewl!

But perhaps that’s too authoritarian... any other thoughts on the matter? I apologize if I’ve been impolite in any way whatsoever; I don’t wish to be cruel and or rude.

I've always had this fascination with constructed languages ever since I was introduced to Esperanto and my own imagination always thought that breaking the three main languages of North America, English, Spanish, and French into their original Germanic roots and adding loanwords from Native American languages would be a cool project. I've begun to think that a constructed language could be a way to forge a new identity but it would hopefully be open sourced and transparent, I know a very idealistic and pie in the sky thinking but it sounds like a fun project anyways. This is of course with America in mind.

I dream of a world where people only speak American English.
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