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Northern Davincia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:57 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Embrace Daoism, my friend.


I’m not fond of the... chaotic aspects of Daoist thought. I prefer Confucianism’s emphasis on social harmony, dutiful propriety, and righteous conduct. L A W F U L G O O D G A N G

Social order is for squares. This post was made by Chaotic Good Gang.
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Joohan
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Joohan » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:05 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I mean, I took rather blatant inspiration from the Confucian system of scholar-officials (In fact, I take a lot of inspiration from Confucian philosophy, tbh). I merely updated the system to better reflect the needs of a modern industrial civilization. The underlying principles were generally always sound, though.

Embrace Daoism, my friend.


... You know what... I was confucianist, but your comment just pushed me over the edge into hardline legalism.

You've heard of Pinochet's helicopters? Welcome to Qin's Wall!
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Northern Davincia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:06 pm

Joohan wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Embrace Daoism, my friend.


... You know what... I was confucianist, but your comment just pushed me over the edge into hardline legalism.

You've heard of Pinochet's helicopters? Welcome to Qin's Wall!

Do it again, Genghis!
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Joohan
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Joohan » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:20 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Joohan wrote:
... You know what... I was confucianist, but your comment just pushed me over the edge into hardline legalism.

You've heard of Pinochet's helicopters? Welcome to Qin's Wall!

Do it again, Genghis!


You mean the Mongolian Warlord equivalent of John Maynard Keynes?

Because nothing sparks innovation and progress like war, amrite??? :twisted:
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Postby Volkari » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I mean, I took rather blatant inspiration from the Confucian system of scholar-officials (In fact, I take a lot of inspiration from Confucian philosophy, tbh). I merely updated the system to better reflect the needs of a modern industrial civilization. The underlying principles were generally always sound, though.

Embrace Daoism, my friend.


Confucianism and Daoism were not incompatible, lots of Chinese Emperors practiced both. The notion of Daoism as anarchic libertarianism is a product of Ursula Le Guinn.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:31 pm

Volkari wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Embrace Daoism, my friend.


Confucianism and Daoism were not incompatible, lots of Chinese Emperors practiced both. The notion of Daoism as anarchic libertarianism is a product of Ursula Le Guinn.


So that’s who I’ve to blame? I thought she merely wrote SF.

Also, it’s Le Guin. One “N”, not two.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I mean, I'm opposed to the concept of hereditary monarchy as a matter of political theory; the technocratic directorial council of "philosopher-kings" within my ideal state would merely be the highest ranking scholar-bureaucrats ("scholar-technocrats", perhaps? "scholar-officials"?) in the civil service of the executive branch.

Good heavens that sounds Chinese. Neat.

Embrace the Heavenly Bureaucracy.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:56 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Good heavens that sounds Chinese. Neat.

Embrace the Heavenly Bureaucracy.


Not “Heaven/Tian” per se, but meh... close enough, I guess.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Volkari » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:47 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Good heavens that sounds Chinese. Neat.

Embrace the Heavenly Bureaucracy.


Yes please. It's a perfect example of the self-apotheosis of a people.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:00 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:What y'all think of StoneToss comics?


Sometimes he makes good points, but usually its a lowbrow conservative comic that thinks its edgy and dank when its not.
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Nethela
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Postby Nethela » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:49 pm

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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:58 pm

Nethela wrote:Hello

Hello! Welcome to NSG! Please leave all sanity at the door, and declare with customs any brain cells exceeding 25!
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:03 am

Kowani wrote:
Nethela wrote:Hello

Hello! Welcome to NSG! Please leave all sanity at the door, and declare with customs any brain cells exceeding 25!


This comment is absolutely golden. I'm going to sig it, in fact.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:05 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Kowani wrote:Hello! Welcome to NSG! Please leave all sanity at the door, and declare with customs any brain cells exceeding 25!


This comment is absolutely golden. I'm going to sig it, in fact.

Aww, thank you!
Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:54 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:What y'all think of StoneToss comics?


Sometimes he makes good points, but usually its a lowbrow conservative comic that thinks its edgy and dank when its not.


Also has a really weird habit of constantly decrying circumcision (and more often than not taking a jab at the Jews within the same context).

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Novus America » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:44 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:What y'all think of StoneToss comics?


Sometimes he makes good points, but usually its a lowbrow conservative comic that thinks its edgy and dank when its not.


Pretty much. If it left the anti Semitism and Holocaust revisionism at the door it would be better.
It makes occasional good points about some of the logical inconsistencies in leftist dogma, but at the same time hurts its cause more than helps with some of the stuff it goes on.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:31 am

Nethela wrote:Hello

Hello fellow right-winger :) This is your right-wing neighbor Islamist named El-Amin Caliphate. How are you?
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Postby Razarija » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:52 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Embrace Daoism, my friend.


I’m not fond of the... chaotic aspects of Daoist thought. I prefer Confucianism’s emphasis on social harmony, dutiful propriety, and righteous conduct. L A W F U L G O O D G A N G

engineered order is poorly destined
333 = Dark Enlightenment

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:54 am

Razarija wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I’m not fond of the... chaotic aspects of Daoist thought. I prefer Confucianism’s emphasis on social harmony, dutiful propriety, and righteous conduct. L A W F U L G O O D G A N G

engineered order is poorly destined


And you propose... what exactly? The (profoundly wrong, in my view) chaos/discord/strife of "organic" societal arrangements?
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The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Razarija » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:01 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Razarija wrote:engineered order is poorly destined


And you propose... what exactly? The (profoundly wrong, in my view) chaos/discord/strife of "organic" societal arrangements?

eh, chinese kin associations provided good welfare for members before the imperial state killed it

confucianism with legalist characteristics™ is the actual "confucianism" most westerners (as well as easterners) are exposed to as a political philosophy (and probably the only confucianism that is a political philosophy); OG confucianism was pretty overlapping in respecting "organic and natural" stuff but probably talked more of the everyday-relatable aspects

that said, they also co-use parables and corresponding conclusions regarding intentionally done good, relating back to my initial comment
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:15 am

Razarija wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
And you propose... what exactly? The (profoundly wrong, in my view) chaos/discord/strife of "organic" societal arrangements?

eh, chinese kin associations provided good welfare for members before the imperial state killed it

confucianism with legalist characteristics™ is the actual "confucianism" most westerners (as well as easterners) are exposed to as a political philosophy (and probably the only confucianism that is a political philosophy); OG confucianism was pretty overlapping in respecting "organic and natural" stuff but probably talked more of the everyday-relatable aspects

that said, they also co-use parables and corresponding conclusions regarding intentionally done good, relating back to my initial comment


Ah, well then. I guess "Confucianism with Legalist characteristics™" is what I prefer.
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My NS stats are not indicative of my OOC views. NS stats are meant to be rather silly. My OOC political and ideological inspirations are as such:
The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
monarchy system of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth | The corporatist/technocratic philosophy of Henri de Saint-Simon | The communitarian
ideological framework of the Singaporean People's Action Party | "New Deal"-style societal regimentation | Kantian/Mohist/Stoic philosophy

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:11 pm

Joohan wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Do it again, Genghis!


You mean the Mongolian Warlord equivalent of John Maynard Keynes?

Because nothing sparks innovation and progress like war, amrite??? :twisted:

Yes, and Progress can never be bad.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:13 pm

Volkari wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Embrace Daoism, my friend.


Confucianism and Daoism were not incompatible, lots of Chinese Emperors practiced both. The notion of Daoism as anarchic libertarianism is a product of Ursula Le Guinn.

The Legalists and Emperor Qin Shi Huangdi would disagree.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:15 pm

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Joohan wrote:
You mean the Mongolian Warlord equivalent of John Maynard Keynes?

Because nothing sparks innovation and progress like war, amrite??? :twisted:

Yes, and Progress can never be bad.

Progress is the ultimate goal of humanity, to better the collective situation. The best part of capitalism is the Marketplace of Ideas. The old ways were abandoned for a reason, they were inferior to the new ones.
Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:17 pm

Kowani wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Yes, and Progress can never be bad.

Progress is the ultimate goal of humanity, to better the collective situation. The best part of capitalism is the Marketplace of Ideas. The old ways were abandoned for a reason, they were inferior to the new ones.

Spoken with all the zealotry and conviction of Leon Trotsky himself

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