Right Wing Discussion Thread XIV: Join the Friendkorps

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I never said that.

I did, and it hasn't been disputed or refuted. At the end of the day, the commonality between all conceptions of deities is power.

Yeah, that's not the only thing that makes Allah, Allah SWT.

[Conserative Morality]

I did, and it hasn't been disputed or refuted. At the end of the day, the commonality between all conceptions of deities is power.

Yeah, that's not the only thing that makes Allah, Allah SWT.

We are not discussing your specific deity, we are discussing the concept of a deity. Your original objection to the claim of the American State being a god wasn't "It's not Allah" but that, and I quote, "That doesn't make it a god."

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah, that's not the only thing that makes Allah, Allah SWT.

We are not discussing your specific deity

Allah SWT isn't my specific deity.

we are discussing the concept of a deity. Your original objection to the claim of the American State being a god wasn't "It's not Allah" but that, and I quote, "That doesn't make it a god."

Ok, well it's not a god either. There's too many flaws for America to be a god.

[Conserative Morality]

"You there! Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior the GLORIOUS UNION?"

[Conserative Morality]

Allah SWT isn't my specific deity.

... he's your generic deity?

Ok, well it's not a god either. There's too many flaws for America to be a god.

Gods can be flawed. See: literally nearly any non-Abrahamic religion.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

"You there! Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior the GLORIOUS UNION?"

I'm not a mushrik, so no.

[Volkari]

"You there! Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior the GLORIOUS UNION?"

The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Allah SWT isn't my specific deity.

... he's your generic deity?

No. Allah SWT is not my anything. I belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Gods can be flawed

Then the aren't Allah SWT, they're jinns.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

We are not discussing your specific deity

Allah SWT isn't my specific deity.

You got any other deities?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is low-key dumb, can we stop this now? I gotta go eat.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

[screaming in American]

I beg your pardon?

I understand that it is somewhat improper/uncouth in typical circumstances to quote myself, but please allow me to explain:

I'm confused as to why you wrote "[screaming in American]"... is it because my ideal government system (assuming modern technological capabilities) is different from the federal presidential constitutional republic with a free-market economic system used by the United States?

I mean, my ideal system would be a federal technocratic world-state with elements of a constitutional participatory democracy and a mixed economic system, so I don't understand why you're screaming. Is it a bad system? Please forgive me if it isn't very good.

[Conserative Morality]

"You there! Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior the GLORIOUS UNION?"

The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.

"If you had not committed such terrible sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you." - Sherman Khan

[Washington Resistance Army]

... he's your generic deity?

No. Allah SWT is not my anything. I belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Gods can be flawed

Then the aren't Allah SWT, they're jinns.

This is your daily reminder that the jinn were word for word just copied from Arabic paganism lol

[Conserative Morality]

... he's your generic deity?

No. Allah SWT is not my anything. I belong to Allah SWT, not the other way around.

Gods can be flawed

Then the aren't Allah SWT, they're jinns.

wew

I beg your pardon?

I understand that it is somewhat improper/uncouth in typical circumstances to quote myself, but please allow me to explain:

I'm confused as to why you wrote "[screaming in American]"... is it because my ideal government system (assuming modern technological capabilities) is different from the federal presidential constitutional republic with a free-market economic system used by the United States?

More or less. I find it contrary to my view of America, and my conception of myself as an American is very dear to my heart.

[Fahran]

"You there! Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior the GLORIOUS UNION?"

The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.

This is a meme, and not an especially insightful one either. It perverts the complexity and beauty of a multitude of institutions and traditions - and appears to fundamentally misconstrue the telos of the state/nation and the essential characteristics of religion.

[Joohan]

"You there! Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior the GLORIOUS UNION?"

The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.

What about the unionists in Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri who were enslaving their fellow Americans?

What about Grant? The slave owning savior of the Union?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I understand that it is somewhat improper/uncouth in typical circumstances to quote myself, but please allow me to explain:

I'm confused as to why you wrote "[screaming in American]"... is it because my ideal government system (assuming modern technological capabilities) is different from the federal presidential constitutional republic with a free-market economic system used by the United States?

More or less. I find it contrary to my view of America, and my conception of myself as an American is very dear to my heart.

Ah, I understand now. Nevertheless, I still think that my proposed system would better promote the common weal.

[Conserative Morality]

What about the unionists in Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri who were enslaving their fellow Americans?

What about Grant? The slave owning savior of the Union?

>> ignoring the fact that Grant was a lifelong abolitionist, unlike Sherman, who only became an abolitionist after seeing the horrors of slavery in the South
>> ignoring the fact that Grant's only slave was a gift from his father-in-law, and he freed said man almost immediately

[Fahran]

Ah, I understand now. Nevertheless, I still think that my proposed system would better promote the common weal.

I think your suggestion would have made Plato smile, but I have perhaps consumed a bit too much of the medieval and modern ages to be content with it. It's such bitter wine truthfully, but bitterness can be aesthetic too.

TEM was right. I'm too romantic by half in my sensibilities. If I keep this up, I'll go from being Jael to Nero.

[Nea Byzantia]

"You there! Sir! Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior the GLORIOUS UNION?"

The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.

How can a nation be God? Nations are fragile things that break apart. God is not. You and I certainly have a very different definition of God.

[Fahran]

How can a nation be God? Nations are fragile things that break apart. God is not. You and I certainly have a very different definition of God.

His argument is probably Gentilean at its foundations.

[Valrifell]

The American Union is God, Sherman marched through Georgia putting down rebels enslaving their fellow Americans in the name of the Union. Ergo, Sherman was an avatar of God.

How can a nation be God? Nations are fragile things that break apart. God is not. You and I certainly have a very different definition of God.

What constitutes a 'religion' and 'god' is so washy you could totally get away with arguing that any belief in something higher than the self with ritualistic undertones fits the bill. In that sense, the Nation becomes God and the Religion is Nationalism of a sort.

Of course, that doesn't jive with the obvious examples of "religion" but it's a difficult concept.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Ah, I understand now. Nevertheless, I still think that my proposed system would better promote the common weal.

I think your suggestion would have made Plato smile, but I have perhaps consumed a bit too much of the medieval and modern ages to be content with it. It's such bitter wine truthfully, but bitterness can be aesthetic too.

TEM was right. I'm too romantic by half in my sensibilities. If I keep this up, I'll go from being Jael to Nero.

I see the elegance and beauty in my ideal system, one that would be as close to the Good as possible (for although the Good may be unattainable to mere humans, we should strive towards it nonetheless); and when I look at the systems currently in place across the world, I become rather disappointed. Is that normal?

[Conserative Morality]

What constitutes a 'religion' and 'god' is so washy you could totally get away with arguing that any belief in something higher than the self with ritualistic undertones fits the bill. In that sense, the Nation becomes God and the Religion is Nationalism of a sort.

Of course, that doesn't jive with the obvious examples of "religion" but it's a difficult concept.

Some strains of Buddhism come to mind.

[Nea Byzantia]

What about the unionists in Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri who were enslaving their fellow Americans?

What about Grant? The slave owning savior of the Union?

>> ignoring the fact that Grant was a lifelong abolitionist, unlike Sherman, who only became an abolitionist after seeing the horrors of slavery in the South
>> ignoring the fact that Grant's only slave was a gift from his father-in-law, and he freed said man almost immediately

I mean, Lincoln's wife's family owned the second largest slave plantation in Kentucky, and Lincoln was not against segregation of the races, either. The political elites in Washington could care less about the slaves, heck they'd probably have let the South keep Slavery if it had never seceded. Slavery was at best a secondary issue for Lincoln, he really only cared about keeping the Union together. The slavery issue was just a casus belli to rally people to the Union cause.

Not trying to take the Confederate side here, it's good that the United States stayed together. My point is simply to say that the Union cared very little for the enslaved Blacks. The Emancipation Proclamation was useful for international PR, and also for destabilizing the South. The actual slaves themselves were simply an afterthought in Lincoln's mind.