Is the US a Christian nation?

[NPCA]

Well, NSG? Is it? Personally I think yes. Christ guided our founding fathers to form the constitution. And Trump is seeking to restore this after years of poor administration by the Obama administration.

Enough of that, I strongly believe we are a Christian country. Without the guidance of Christ, we would be nothing.

[The Huskar Social Union]

No.

It literally says in your constitution that its not, nor shall it be.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The constitution is a secular document, and your country is a secular country with separation of church and state.

[NPCA]

No.

It literally says in your constitution that its not, nor shall it be.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The constitution is a secular document, and your country is a secular country with separation of church and state.

Then why does it say at the end of our constitution, year of our Lord? We are Christian.

Please don't let disbelief mislead you, my friend.

[Vassenor]

No.

It literally says in your constitution that its not, nor shall it be.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Add to that, Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously without debate by Congress in 1797:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If we were then the U.S. constitution would at least mention Christianity it its preamble or elsewhere in the text. It does not, so we are not a christian nation.

[The Huskar Social Union]

No.

It literally says in your constitution that its not, nor shall it be.



The constitution is a secular document, and your country is a secular country with separation of church and state.

Then why does it say at the end of our constitution, year of our Lord? We are Christian.

Please don't let disbelief mislead you, my friend.

Because that is how people marked the current year in the 1700s. That does not defeat "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Also from the treaty with tripoli in 1797: "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."

[NPCA]

Then why does it say at the end of our constitution, year of our Lord? We are Christian.

Please don't let disbelief mislead you, my friend.

Because that is how people marked the current year in the 1700s. That does not defeat "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Also from the treaty with tripoli in 1797: "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."

Then why does Trump seek to restore what our founding fathers wanted?

[Saiwania]

A loud minority of people in the US (from the far right) want or wish that it was formally a Christian theocracy. I've become interested in the so called "Dominionists" as of late, which are people who're into an interesting mix of Christianity and Fascism to create a Christofacist state with an all powerful "Pastor" at the helm.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Because that is how people marked the current year in the 1700s. That does not defeat "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Also from the treaty with tripoli in 1797: "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."

Then why does Trump seek to restore what our founding fathers wanted?

Because trump is a lying fuck who spouts buzz words and bollocks to make himself seem like a patriot and a man of the people. All it is, is manipulation.

[Vassenor]

Because that is how people marked the current year in the 1700s. That does not defeat "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Also from the treaty with tripoli in 1797: "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."

Then why does Trump seek to restore what our founding fathers wanted?

How does he know what they wanted?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I don't see Christianity mentioned anywhere in this. If we were founded on Christianity then I think the preamble of our constitution would at least mention it.

[Valentine Z]

Then why does it say at the end of our constitution, year of our Lord? We are Christian.

Please don't let disbelief mislead you, my friend.

Because that is how people marked the current year in the 1700s. That does not defeat "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Also from the treaty with tripoli in 1797: "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."

Adding a little to this is that Common Era (CE) only saw its usage in the 1615 / 1715.

The alternative form of “Before the Common Era” and “Common Era” dates back to 1715, where it is used in an astronomy book interchangeably with “Vulgar Era.” At the time, vulgar meant “ordinary,” rather than “crude.” The term “Vulgar Era” is even older, first appearing in a 1615 book by Johannes Kepler.

So yes, it was less of a religious thing, and more of the fact that the CE and BCE notation were rather new in those days.

For the topic, as an outsider looking into US, it doesn't pass me as a Christian nation. It's just because of the demographics (73.7 % Christianity rate) that gives you that thought.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Culturally yes. Beyond that no.

[Page]

The US is a nation where Christianity is the majority religious belief (for now, I suspect by the time I'm old and gray that secular people will be the dominant demographic, perhaps even before). That does not make it a Christian nation anymore than you would call a country a male or female nation based on whether there were more male or females overall.

It would be accurate to describe the United States as a secular nation, but to differentiate American secularism, a total hands off policy as far as government is concerned, at least that's how it should be, from a system like French secularism which actively strives to keep religion out of public life. Of course, the US is a paradox as far as religion goes. Many European countries do not have strict separation of church and state enshrined into law, and may even have state churches, but the population is less religious overall and religion has less influence over policy. America has official secularism but religion is much more popular and far more influential over government.

But there can be no dispute that the First Amendment is clear, government can neither favorable nor hostile to religion. And I know some people hate it when you bring up the Treaty of Tripoli - "That's a 200 year old treaty specifically about this one war we had!" Yet a treaty is a legally binding document ratified by the government, and the Treaty of Tripoli does contain the words "The United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." Yes, that counts.

Still, I know many Christians, usually of more authoritarian denominations, love to insist that the US is a Christian nation while at the same time claiming that Christians are persecuted in America - a claim so ridiculous that it shouldn't have to be contested at all.

[Mexican Liberation]

Well, NSG? Is it? Personally I think yes. Christ guided our founding fathers to form the constitution. And Trump is seeking to restore this after years of poor administration by the Obama administration.

Enough of that, I strongly believe we are a Christian country. Without the guidance of Christ, we would be nothing.

By sheer numbers? In a way, yes. But this is a nation also founded proportionally on Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, Sikh, etc. values as well. Religious melting pots can be a pretty cool thing.

Officially? Christ had about as much to do with the founding of America as the Buddha: None. It's been established the founding fathers were either deists who believed in a generic higher power of some kind or closeted atheists. The founding fathers were like the cool parents who wanted their children to make their own path in life when it comes to religion, so they made the wording purposefully vague to include any and all beliefs.

Also, which exact Christian values are you talking about? Values kinda differ between denominations and even between churches within those denominations. All the catholic churches in my area are super pro-immigrant with the "God's love knows no borders" rhetoric. There are new-age churches with food banks/giveaways for the poor that let you come back for seconds anytime. I have two professors who are Quakers and are damn near the most open-minded people I have ever met; one is practically a second mother to the school's LGBT community, the other who has put years and years of thought in her practices to say with confidence that your belief in the bible or even Jesus ultimately means jack, it's all who you are as a person. All of these could be considered as "liberal" beliefs and stand in contradiction of the conservative policies the Trump administration has been enacting.

Would you be willing say, with sincere faith and conviction, that these churches have been misled by Satan, even though I can quote you the verses that show these were all literal teachings of Jesus? If I show you those verses, would you be willing to admit that maybe the Trump administration isn't exactly following the word of god 100%? Almost like he's purposefully going against those verses taught by Christ...like he's anti-Christ in a way...

Also, how exactly is god behind Trump? Are you actually keeping track of what teachings he's living by or is all this some more Book of Revelations bullshit about how he is the catalyst for the Armageddon or whatever? Because there's nothing god loves more than his creations trashing the place he made specifically for them before he is ready...maybe he won't even bother after seeing it in such condition, forever leaving us hanging as punishment.

[The New California Republic]

No.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Because that is how people marked the current year in the 1700s. That does not defeat "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Also from the treaty with tripoli in 1797: "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…."

Then why does Trump seek to restore what our founding fathers wanted?

This one sentence is a tangled mess of logical fallacies, but I will try to untangle it.

1) The reasoning is circular. Trump seeks to restore what the founding father wanted. How do we know what Trump wants to restore? Because the founding fathers wanted it. How do we know what the founding father wanted? Because Trump is restoring it.
2) It's an appeal to authority. Trump is not a historian, he is not a legal expert, he is not even a theologian. He has no more clue what the founding fathers wanted than you or me.
3) It's a non-sequitur. The argument is: The Founding Fathers made the constitution. Trump wants to reform the US into a Christian nation. Therefore, the Founding Fathers must have been Christian. It does not follow.

There are probably some more in there.

[Huntpublic]

Well, NSG? Is it? Personally I think yes. Christ guided our founding fathers to form the constitution. And Trump is seeking to restore this after years of poor administration by the Obama administration.

Enough of that, I strongly believe we are a Christian country. Without the guidance of Christ, we would be nothing.

By sheer numbers? In a way, yes. But this is a nation also founded proportionally on Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, Sikh, etc. values as well. Religious melting pots can be a pretty cool thing.

Officially? Christ had about as much to do with the founding of America as the Buddha: None. It's been established the founding fathers were either deists who believed in a generic higher power of some kind or closeted atheists. The founding fathers were like the cool parents who wanted their children to make their own path in life when it comes to religion, so they made the wording purposefully vague to include any and all beliefs.

Also, which exact Christian values are you talking about? Values kinda differ between denominations and even between churches within those denominations. All the catholic churches in my area are super pro-immigrant with the "God's love knows no borders" rhetoric. There are new-age churches with food banks/giveaways for the poor that let you come back for seconds anytime. I have two professors who are Quakers and are damn near the most open-minded people I have ever met; one is practically a second mother to the school's LGBT community, the other who has put years and years of thought in her practices to say with confidence that your belief in the bible or even Jesus ultimately means jack, it's all who you are as a person. All of these could be considered as "liberal" beliefs and stand in contradiction of the conservative policies the Trump administration has been enacting.

Would you be willing say, with sincere faith and conviction, that these churches have been misled by Satan, even though I can quote you the verses that show these were all literal teachings of Jesus? If I show you those verses, would you be willing to admit that maybe the Trump administration isn't exactly following the word of god 100%? Almost like he's purposefully going against those verses taught by Christ...like he's anti-Christ in a way...

Also, how exactly is god behind Trump? Are you actually keeping track of what teachings he's living by or is all this some more Book of Revelations bullshit about how he is the catalyst for the Armageddon or whatever? Because there's nothing god loves more than his creations trashing the place he made specifically for them before he is ready...maybe he won't even bother after seeing it in such condition, forever leaving us hanging as punishment.

He is not the anti-Christ,

and no, he won't leave us hanging as punishment. He made a promise and if he won't keep that promise that makes him a false God

[Helenija]

The United States is most certainly not.

Christianity must be respected, however.

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By sheer numbers? In a way, yes. But this is a nation also founded proportionally on Muslim, Atheist, Buddhist, Sikh, etc. values as well. Religious melting pots can be a pretty cool thing.

Officially? Christ had about as much to do with the founding of America as the Buddha: None. It's been established the founding fathers were either deists who believed in a generic higher power of some kind or closeted atheists. The founding fathers were like the cool parents who wanted their children to make their own path in life when it comes to religion, so they made the wording purposefully vague to include any and all beliefs.

Also, which exact Christian values are you talking about? Values kinda differ between denominations and even between churches within those denominations. All the catholic churches in my area are super pro-immigrant with the "God's love knows no borders" rhetoric. There are new-age churches with food banks/giveaways for the poor that let you come back for seconds anytime. I have two professors who are Quakers and are damn near the most open-minded people I have ever met; one is practically a second mother to the school's LGBT community, the other who has put years and years of thought in her practices to say with confidence that your belief in the bible or even Jesus ultimately means jack, it's all who you are as a person. All of these could be considered as "liberal" beliefs and stand in contradiction of the conservative policies the Trump administration has been enacting.

Would you be willing say, with sincere faith and conviction, that these churches have been misled by Satan, even though I can quote you the verses that show these were all literal teachings of Jesus? If I show you those verses, would you be willing to admit that maybe the Trump administration isn't exactly following the word of god 100%? Almost like he's purposefully going against those verses taught by Christ...like he's anti-Christ in a way...

Also, how exactly is god behind Trump? Are you actually keeping track of what teachings he's living by or is all this some more Book of Revelations bullshit about how he is the catalyst for the Armageddon or whatever? Because there's nothing god loves more than his creations trashing the place he made specifically for them before he is ready...maybe he won't even bother after seeing it in such condition, forever leaving us hanging as punishment.

He is not the anti-Christ,

and no, he won't leave us hanging as punishment. He made a promise and if he won't keep that promise that makes him a false God

If we are being Biblically accurate, adhering to the canon of official source material, I might say, there is not one antichrist, the Bible refers to several antichrists, not in the sense that they are the heirs of Satan or will bring about the end of the world, but that they are false messiahs, charismatic figures who claim to know the truth and demand loyalty from their followers.

By that definition, I think it wouldn't be a stretch to say that Trump is an antichrist.

[Valkea]

OP's too short, this ain't gonna last long.

Anyway, define "Christian nation" and I'll have your answer in a jiffy.

[Frievolk]

While I'm not sure what the idea behind this thread was, here's my two cents.
Constitutionally, The US is not Christian, neither does it belong to any other religion. It is a decidedly secular country, and the Government is supposed not to take the side of any one religion over the others.
Culturally? Also no. While there are a lot of Christians in the country, the country's built on Post-Enlightenment ideals such as secularism, rule of law, and democracy, neither of which is a decidedly Christian Value.
Christianity has a high influence on its culture, however, if only because the majority of its population are either non-performing or performing Christians of different denominations.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

OP's too short, this ain't gonna last long.

Anyway, define "Christian nation" and I'll have your answer in a jiffy.

A nation where everyone only uses their baptismal name.

[Valkea]

OP's too short, this ain't gonna last long.

Anyway, define "Christian nation" and I'll have your answer in a jiffy.

A nation where everyone only uses their baptismal name.

In that case...

No.

It's not.

:|

[United States of Americanas]

Thou shalt not kill. America has a gigantic military and has violated the laws. Therefore is not Christian but of the antichrist.

In addition Thou shalt not steal. America is all stolen land.

America the land of 666 and death.