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by Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:31 pm
by Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:35 pm
Trumptonium1 wrote:Essentially out of principle I don't want anybody ostracised and for free speech to be absolute, but if politics continues to be increasingly polarised and a serious such movement gains pace we might as well use it to our own benefit and start going full Singapore/Interwar Poland and arresting people on both sides of the extremes and ban the leaners from political office and the middle class - keep them poor. That's the funniest and the most effective. No schadenfreude from capital punishment or prison outweighs the sadistic gain of seeing your enemy as a group of defenseless paupers. Also the most psychologically damaging.
Either way at that point you're no longer a democracy, you're authoritarian regardless of your intentions/leanings, and that shouldn't be celebrated.
And yes modern progressives a la Warren are on the left extreme.
by Kubra » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:49 pm
And for as long as you're employed I can be fairly certain you'll continue to pass your leisure time posting this sort of thing, rather than having a go at them with your car or something.Kaggeceria wrote:Fair point. I suppose of you are unemployed you just end up like Antifa people badgering and assaulting others all day.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Who among us can say that they're not sometimes of the persuasion of Polemarchus: help ones friends and harm ones enemies, and that is justice?Costa Fierro wrote:It's also hypocritical for people to advocate for political violence or some sort of social punishment against people they disagree with but cry foul or complain when someone advocates the same against them.
by Wahlid » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:28 pm
Page wrote:Views I consider worthy of ostracization:
- Being a Nazi
- Being a flat earther
- Being a young earth creationist
- Supporting an "ethnostate" (which means you support mass murder)
- Supporting conversion therapy being done to LGBTQ minors
- Incel and redpill ideology
- Supporting theocracy
by Kaggeceria » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:29 pm
Kubra wrote:And for as long as you're employed I can be fairly certain you'll continue to pass your leisure time posting this sort of thing, rather than having a go at them with your car or something.Kaggeceria wrote:Fair point. I suppose of you are unemployed you just end up like Antifa people badgering and assaulting others all day.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Who among us can say that they're not sometimes of the persuasion of Polemarchus: help ones friends and harm ones enemies, and that is justice?Costa Fierro wrote:It's also hypocritical for people to advocate for political violence or some sort of social punishment against people they disagree with but cry foul or complain when someone advocates the same against them.
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by Western-Ukraine » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:46 am
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by Liriena » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:10 am
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Liriena » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:18 am
Hirota wrote:I wouldn't want to see anyone cut off from society for wrongthink.
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by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:30 am
by Page » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:32 am
Western-Ukraine wrote:Especially if we didn't piss off nationalists all the time: we wouldn't even have major far-right movements around.
by Western-Ukraine » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:08 am
Page wrote:Western-Ukraine wrote:Especially if we didn't piss off nationalists all the time: we wouldn't even have major far-right movements around.
Especially if we didn't piss off Salafists all the time: we wouldn't even have radical Islamist terrorism around.
Such statements kind of sound like victim blaming.
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by Mattopilos II » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:10 am
Western-Ukraine wrote:Page wrote:
Especially if we didn't piss off Salafists all the time: we wouldn't even have radical Islamist terrorism around.
Such statements kind of sound like victim blaming.
The difference is that nationalists represent a far greater number of people than Islamist minorities. We can't just ignore their issues. And there's no denying that we've embraced neo-liberal policies for quite some time, so it's just a matter of returning to old, proven principles.
by Western-Ukraine » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:14 am
Mattopilos II wrote:Western-Ukraine wrote:The difference is that nationalists represent a far greater number of people than Islamist minorities. We can't just ignore their issues. And there's no denying that we've embraced neo-liberal policies for quite some time, so it's just a matter of returning to old, proven principles.
Those old and proven principles have led to large amounts of oppression and bloodshed. They are proven to do something, I guess.
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by Mattopilos II » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:16 am
Western-Ukraine wrote:Mattopilos II wrote:
Those old and proven principles have led to large amounts of oppression and bloodshed. They are proven to do something, I guess.
Hardly. Excessive immigration and globalization are relatively new phenomena, at least in Europe. European countries were doing just fine before embracing those new values. Without oppression and bloodshed, largely without far-right radicalism. The US has mostly the same issues.
by Western-Ukraine » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:22 am
Mattopilos II wrote:Western-Ukraine wrote:Hardly. Excessive immigration and globalization are relatively new phenomena, at least in Europe. European countries were doing just fine before embracing those new values. Without oppression and bloodshed, largely without far-right radicalism. The US has mostly the same issues.
"excessive immigration" - not the issue in most if even few societies.
"globalisation" is new but also not something embraced particularly by the left or right so I am not sure where you are going with this. If you are suggesting we go back to essentially treating each nation as a literal island then good luck with that.
As for "doing just fine": things were always bad, don't pull that shit.
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by The New California Republic » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:27 am
Petrolheadia wrote:That's be a great way for them to lock in their echo chambers, and for everyone else to find themselves unable to respond to them or correct them.
No way, Jose.
by Risottia » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:55 am
Conserative Morality wrote:In what circumstances does someone's political views go beyond the pale? In what circumstances do someone's political views make them worthy of ostracization?
by Trumptonium1 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:01 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:Essentially out of principle I don't want anybody ostracised and for free speech to be absolute, but if politics continues to be increasingly polarised and a serious such movement gains pace we might as well use it to our own benefit and start going full Singapore/Interwar Poland and arresting people on both sides of the extremes and ban the leaners from political office and the middle class - keep them poor. That's the funniest and the most effective. No schadenfreude from capital punishment or prison outweighs the sadistic gain of seeing your enemy as a group of defenseless paupers. Also the most psychologically damaging.
Either way at that point you're no longer a democracy, you're authoritarian regardless of your intentions/leanings, and that shouldn't be celebrated.
And yes modern progressives a la Warren are on the left extreme.
There is only one thing more encouraging than seeing your enemies arrested, and that is seeing them change their ways.
Especially if it does not involve keeping a large part of the society poor.
by Bakery Hill » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:17 am
Page wrote:Views I consider worthy of ostracization:
- Being a Nazi
- Being a flat earther
- Being a young earth creationist
- Supporting an "ethnostate" (which means you support mass murder)
- Supporting conversion therapy being done to LGBTQ minors
- Incel and redpill ideology
- Supporting theocracy
by Bakery Hill » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:23 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:Essentially out of principle I don't want anybody ostracised and for free speech to be absolute, but if politics continues to be increasingly polarised and a serious such movement gains pace we might as well use it to our own benefit and start going full Singapore/Interwar Poland and arresting people on both sides of the extremes and ban the leaners from political office and the middle class - keep them poor. That's the funniest and the most effective. No schadenfreude from capital punishment or prison outweighs the sadistic gain of seeing your enemy as a group of defenseless paupers. Also the most psychologically damaging.
Either way at that point you're no longer a democracy, you're authoritarian regardless of your intentions/leanings, and that shouldn't be celebrated.
And yes modern progressives a la Warren are on the left extreme.
by Page » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 am
Western-Ukraine wrote:Page wrote:
Especially if we didn't piss off Salafists all the time: we wouldn't even have radical Islamist terrorism around.
Such statements kind of sound like victim blaming.
The difference is that nationalists represent a far greater number of people than Islamist minorities. We can't just ignore their issues. And there's no denying that we've embraced neo-liberal policies for quite some time, so it's just a matter of returning to old, proven principles.
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