Highschool band performs offensive halftime show

[Lord Dominator]

Heck, just hope an AI just pops up on its own. Any human making an AI is probably choosing its political biases

That is actually a real issue in AI development, that they can learn biases from the humans around them. Gotta be careful of that.

Oh definitely, hence my mention of hoping one pops up on its own

[Dogmeat]

The most surprising thing about this is that a high school in Mississippi can afford a band.

[Lord Dominator]

The most surprising thing about this is that a high school in Mississippi can afford a band.

It's for a sports game, that's how they afforded it

[Liriena]

The most surprising thing about this is that a high school in Mississippi can afford a band.

It's for a sports game, that's how they afforded it

Art classes are cancelled indefinitely. Also, here's some city funding for the new stadium.

[Lord Dominator]

It's for a sports game, that's how they afforded it

Art classes are cancelled indefinitely. Also, here's some city funding for the new stadium.

Sad but true, that be

[Jebslund]

Even if that weren't merely you backpedalling,

"you believe this!"
"no, I believe another thing"
"Backpedaling!!"

If you don't want to be called out on backpedaling, don't backpedal.

it's still brainwashing to take someone who is neutral and consistently make them pledge loyalty until they begin to believe it, as opposed to presenting arguments as to why this country deserves such loyalty.

Kinda hard to present arguments to a little kid.

Any kid too young to present arguments to is too young to have an opinion of a country. If you can't present arguments, making them pledge fealty is not an acceptable substitute.

It may be a minor form, but it is still a form of brainwashing.

So, not brainwashing at all :)

So petty theft isn't theft at all? Misdemeanors aren't crimes at all? A cop can't ticket you for going 10 over the posted limit because 20 over is when it becomes criminal speeding?

*You* made that conflation. I was merely framing my response to do away with the buzzword "anti-American".

The specific context and form of your response highly implies that you are equating the two.

The specific context is in response to your own conflation of the two, and the form is a comment cutting through the bullshit and using the term you *actually* mean. Specifically your assertion that no one who hasn't been indoctrinated (funny how it's only indoctrination when it's regarding a view you don't approve of) to be anti-American would be being brainwashed, and implication inherent to that remark that one must either love America or be anti-America, with the former being the natural state of being and the latter merely the result of brainwashing (and no other possibility). Nice attempt at a redirect, though.

[Bienenhalde]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Why would you hate the police? If you are an honest, law-abiding citizen, there should be no need to be afraid of them.

[Valentine Z]

Heck, just hope an AI just pops up on its own. Any human making an AI is probably choosing its political biases

That is actually a real issue in AI development, that they can learn biases from the humans around them. Gotta be careful of that.

Without diverting too much from the subject at hand, yes, that was an issue. Remember what happened to Microsoft's Tay? The AI went nuts learning from tweets!

Going back to the topic, as I have said, it's not about politics... it's just poorly done and in poor taste. It's like a reenactment of a school shooting after an actual thing happened a few days before.

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Why would you hate the police? If you are an honest, law-abiding citizen, there should be no need to be afraid of them.

Not to mention "Not all X". Yes, there are some corrupt asses in the force, but most of them are really good people - just doing their jobs and doing it well.

[Proctopeo]

"you believe this!"
"no, I believe another thing"
"Backpedaling!!"

If you don't want to be called out on backpedaling, don't backpedal.

I wasn't, you just assume that I was.

Kinda hard to present arguments to a little kid.

Any kid too young to present arguments to is too young to have an opinion of a country. If you can't present arguments, making them pledge fealty is not an acceptable substitute.

You could always make it optional :^)

So, not brainwashing at all

So petty theft isn't theft at all? Misdemeanors aren't crimes at all? A cop can't ticket you for going 10 over the posted limit because 20 over is when it becomes criminal speeding?

Nice reduction to absurdity there

The specific context and form of your response highly implies that you are equating the two.

The specific context is in response to your own conflation of the two, and the form is a comment cutting through the bullshit and using the term you *actually* mean.

Tell me, O great mind-reader, how many fingers am I holding behind my back?

Specifically your assertion that no one who hasn't been indoctrinated (funny how it's only indoctrination when it's regarding a view you don't approve of) to be anti-American would be being brainwashed, and implication inherent to that remark that one must either love America or be anti-America, with the former being the natural state of being and the latter merely the result of brainwashing (and no other possibility). Nice attempt at a redirect, though.

That is quite literally nothing to the effect of what I said.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Could be seen as tasteless considering how close it was to the police officers deaths.

[Jebslund]

Any kid too young to present arguments to is too young to have an opinion of a country. If you can't present arguments, making them pledge fealty is not an acceptable substitute.

You could always make it optional :^)

An option existing is not the same as said option being utilised.

So petty theft isn't theft at all? Misdemeanors aren't crimes at all? A cop can't ticket you for going 10 over the posted limit because 20 over is when it becomes criminal speeding?

Nice reduction to absurdity there

Your argument is that, because it's a minor example, it's not brainwashing. My counter is asking if other examples of minor examples are also not what they are minor examples of. Answer the question or refute the premise.

The specific context is in response to your own conflation of the two, and the form is a comment cutting through the bullshit and using the term you *actually* mean.

Tell me, O great mind-reader, how many fingers am I holding behind my back?

What are reading comprehension and experience dealing with people who try to hide their views behind buzzwords?

Specifically your assertion that no one who hasn't been indoctrinated (funny how it's only indoctrination when it's regarding a view you don't approve of) to be anti-American would be being brainwashed, and implication inherent to that remark that one must either love America or be anti-America, with the former being the natural state of being and the latter merely the result of brainwashing (and no other possibility). Nice attempt at a redirect, though.

That is quite literally nothing to the effect of what I said.

That is quite literally all to the effect and/or implication of what you said. You later attempted to backpedal and claim you see neutrality as the default view when it was pointed out.

[Ifreann]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Alright, when you're bleeding out, and you need to call 911, remember that you hate cops.

If I was bleeding seriously I wouldn't call the police, I'd call an ambulance.

[Jebslund]

I hate politicians. Doesn't mean Congress isn't useful or necessary. The idea that one is only permitted to hate things one does not need is patently absurd at best. There are such things as necessary evils.

The Police are not evil.

The corrupt ones are. The Police^TM are not a monolithic entity. There are good ones and bad ones, and I can see, from my experiences dealing with bad ones, how one could come to hate the police as a whole if those bad seeds are *all* they've had dealings with.

Regardless, calling something a "necessary evil" is not necessarily a commentary on the morality of said thing. It is often used simply as a term for something one finds distasteful but needful.

[The Blaatschapen]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Why would you hate the police? If you are an honest, law-abiding citizen, there should be no need to be afraid of them.

Power corrupts. Police holds power.

I'm afraid of anyone wielding a gun.

[Imperializt Russia]

This was clearly a political message done by a high school band director and his sub directors aimed at targeting and making villains out of police officers. I am appalled that we allow people with clear political bias in our public school systems. Politics have no place in schools where impressionable students go.

He says, effectively advocating for politics to be thrown into schools from on high rather than the nature of individuals, and is either blind to this, or are the politics he actually agrees with so doesn't care.

All actions are political, apolitical actions do not exist.

"Politics out of X" is merely a sentiment whereby one expresses distaste for the visibility of politics they do not personally like.
Interestingly, it's usually deployed against left-wing and progressive views.

:thonk:

[Imperializt Russia]

This is pretty amusing, I hate cops.

Why would you hate the police? If you are an honest, law-abiding citizen, there should be no need to be afraid of them.

There should never be a qualifier in that statement.

In any case, this fundamentally assumes that all police are good-natured, honourable individuals with the best interests of all to their mind.
This is not, and has never been, true.

[Kernen]

Any kid too young to present arguments to is too young to have an opinion of a country. If you can't present arguments, making them pledge fealty is not an acceptable substitute.

You could always make it optional :^)

It is supposed to be optional now, yet there are still pressures exerted on students to participate from administration. If you want to make the Daily Loyalty Oath optional, why not get rid of it in school entirely and allow those who believe in swearing it do so on their own time? Then there is no exerted outside pressure from its inclusion in the daily routine.

Bad taste show is in bad taste, but within the grounds of acceptable expression, especially since the school tacitly approved it by authorizing their agent, the band director, to select the show. Ugh. Sometimes I think the court got Tinker wrong.

[Olthar]

When I saw the title, I asked myself, "Is this real offensive or pretend offensive?" Looks like it was the latter. Satire is supposed to be provocative. That's the entire point. If you're angry about it, then maybe you should address the problem rather than bitch about the satire.

[Digital Planets]

I say we round up the offenders and involuntarily admit them to the Trolley Problem.

[Conserative Morality]

Halftime shows are weird tbh.

[Ifreann]

Halftime shows are weird tbh.

America does sports weird in general.

[Lord Dominator]

Halftime shows are weird tbh.

America does sports weird in general.

America does everything but nature weird

[Digital Planets]

America does sports weird in general.

America does everything but nature weird

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[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I mean like, aside from the whole ACAB thing, I don't think it's that big a deal? It's a high school marching band show. It's not like this is some big national event that'll have millions foaming at the mouth in misdirected rage.

Also, what do you mean that politics have no place in schools? You're in America. Education here has been - and probably will always be - politicized in one way or another. Educational policy is always formed by someone with a political bias.

Not to mention that history class, by its very nature, emphasizes the history of politics.

A history class that focused on Peter III's supposed refusal to have sex with his wife might be more interesting, but it'd be much less useful.

[The Two Jerseys]

It was apparently a reference to John Q. I don't remember that movie upsetting people when it came out?

It has a 23% Rotten Tomatoes rating, people are only upset by it not being a good movie.