Muslim sues for "discrimination" for not accommodating her.

[Liriena]

Eh, I know there's not a consensus on it, but when I use the word "queer", I use it (as many LGBT+ people do today) as an umbrella term for LGBT+ people, not as a slur against gay people in particular.

Large amounts of people don't see it that way still.
I personally don't mind, but I don't like it as an umbrella (I prefer GLBT+ for that). Use it for self-identification all you like, but I'll look at you funny for it.

I gotcha, dude.

[Thermodolia]

Oh boy, casually using a slur.
Classy.

Eh, I know there's not a consensus on it, but when I use the word "queer", I use it (as many LGBT+ people do today) as an umbrella term for LGBT+ people, not as a slur against gay people in particular.

It’s a slur. And I’d rather that you not speak for the rest of us. Queer is a nasty slur

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Eh, I know there's not a consensus on it, but when I use the word "queer", I use it (as many LGBT+ people do today) as an umbrella term for LGBT+ people, not as a slur against gay people in particular.

It’s a slur. And I’d rather that you not speak for the rest of us. Queer is a nasty slur

Indeed.

[Ifreann]

Eh, I know there's not a consensus on it, but when I use the word "queer", I use it (as many LGBT+ people do today) as an umbrella term for LGBT+ people, not as a slur against gay people in particular.

It’s a slur. And I’d rather that you not speak for the rest of us. Queer is a nasty slur

It isn't speaking for LGBT people to point out that many of them refer to themselves as queer.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It’s a slur. And I’d rather that you not speak for the rest of us. Queer is a nasty slur

It isn't speaking for LGBT people to point out that many of them refer to themselves as queer.

Lots of blacks call themselves the N word too.

[Farnhamia]

Someone's being salty

Also, I don't get why you keep using gay as an insult. NSG is like 90% queer, so you're not telling us anything we didn't already know. :3

Down the road, not across the street.
Keep that in mind next time you get the razor out fairy.

I see you didn't miss a step despite the one-day ban.

*** 7 day ban for flaming. ***

The Rules are for everyone. Really. I know we sound like a broken record saying that as much as we do but it's true. Follow them and you can have a fun time here. Your choice.

[The South Falls]

It isn't speaking for LGBT people to point out that many of them refer to themselves as queer.

Lots of blacks call themselves the N word too.

Yep. Not all of us though. Some think it's too much of a slur, some don't.

[Ifreann]

It isn't speaking for LGBT people to point out that many of them refer to themselves as queer.

Lots of blacks call themselves the N word too.

Yes, they do.

[Liriena]

It’s a slur. And I’d rather that you not speak for the rest of us. Queer is a nasty slur

It isn't speaking for LGBT people to point out that many of them refer to themselves as queer.

Exactly.

I will refrain from using it for Therm's sake, but I nevertheless lean towards the more positive reinterpretation of it.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It isn't speaking for LGBT people to point out that many of them refer to themselves as queer.

Exactly.

I will refrain from using it for Therm's sake, but I nevertheless lean towards the more positive reinterpretation of it.

I too shall lean to the more positive reinterpretation of the N word.

[Liriena]

Exactly.

I will refrain from using it for Therm's sake, but I nevertheless lean towards the more positive reinterpretation of it.

I too shall lean to the more positive reinterpretation of the N word.

Whatever floats your boat, dude. Reappropriation is, I think, potentially good praxis.

[The New California Republic]

It’s a slur. And I’d rather that you not speak for the rest of us. Queer is a nasty slur

I'm a bit queer. Come on Therm, be queer with us!

[Page]

A significant number of the LGBTQ community use the word "queer." Personally, I'm ambivalent toward the word and don't identify with it, but it I've seen it used almost always in a reclaimed context in recent years.

[Puldania]

Queer isnt even a slur anywhere near the degree of others.

Regardless, I'm glad the universe decided to be sensible for once regarding this.

[Shofercia]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/muslim-woman-rejected-from-job-for-not-shaking-mans-hand-is-awarded-3000-7849508/

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

So it's discrimination NOT to discriminate in her favour? Why is "my interpretation of my faith tells me not to shake your hand" a legitimate reason not to, when "I'm worried about germs" is not? If rules aren't rules, who gets to say what constitutes a valid exception? What if one person has to violate another person's religious beliefs to meet their own?

If your job requires hand shakes, then you can fire/not hire people for not doing what the job says. If your job doesn't require hand shakes, then you cannot fire/not hire people for not wanting to shake a person's hand. Saying that germaphobes are okay to not shake hands, but Muslims aren't, is discrimination.

[Gravlen]

So I take it you can provide examples of that "men are literally raped and forced to parent the children resulting from it" then.

Yes, there's plenty of examples.

Here is the precedent for the case;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

This has since been expanded to straight up non-statutory rape, as well as fraud (fraudulently forging someones signature to gain access to their frozen sperm) and so on.

a woman is entitled to sue the father of her child for child support even if conception occurred as a result of a criminal act committed by the woman.

Notice the wording of this ruling by the way which is incredibly revealing and demonstrates the rationalizations and excuses people give for why child support exists are untrue.

Not, a child is entitled to-
But, the WOMAN is entitled to sue the father. This aligns with the reality of the situation, as i've gone over previously, and how child support is primarily a female privilege and not actually about childrens rights to income.

Ah yes, the wording from the ruling by the court of... *checks documents* ...the court of Wikipedia.

I'm not surprised you don't know how Wikipedia works, but it is an online encyclopedia which people can freely edit (or so is the idea). The pages you see are written by random people. They usually link to the original documents, as they have done in this case as well. It's at the bottom of the page.

What the court actually says is in part:

As previously stated, Shane does not contest that he is the biological father of the child. As a father, he has a common-law duty, as well as a statutory duty, to support his minor child.

Under the statutory and common law of this state, Shane owes a duty to support his minor child. K.S.A. 1992 Supp. 21-3503 does not apply to a civil proceeding and cannot serve to relieve Shane of his legal responsibilities towards his child.

This minor child, the only truly innocent party, is entitled to support from both her parents regardless of their ages.

Under the facts as presented to this court, the district court properly held that Shane owes a duty of support to Melanie and properly ordered that Shane and Colleen were jointly and severally liable for the monies previously paid by SRS.

Melanie was his child. The court states that he owes a duty of support to his child, not to the mother of his child.

[Zapato]

My religion, zapatopism, requires I be payed 30 dollars an hour. Give me the fucking job bigot or I'll sue you.

I see you have subscribed to my newsletter and read my holy book.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

This ain't discrimination. I know its her religion. But shaking hands is a sign of respect in the country. You don't wanna shake hands, you get the boot.

[Ifreann]

This ain't discrimination. I know its her religion. But shaking hands is a sign of respect in the country. You don't wanna shake hands, you get the boot.

The interviewer explicitly said that if she didn't want to shake hands for some other reason it would be fine, but since her reason was her religion the interview was over and she wasn't getting the job.

[Vassenor]

This ain't discrimination. I know its her religion. But shaking hands is a sign of respect in the country. You don't wanna shake hands, you get the boot.

The court obviously disagreed.

[Katganistan]

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/16/muslim-woman-rejected-from-job-for-not-shaking-mans-hand-is-awarded-3000-7849508/

TL;DR: Muslim woman refuses to shake job interviewer's hand. Cites religious faith. Claims discrimination when not given the job.

So it's discrimination NOT to discriminate in her favour? Why is "my interpretation of my faith tells me not to shake your hand" a legitimate reason not to, when "I'm worried about germs" is not? If rules aren't rules, who gets to say what constitutes a valid exception? What if one person has to violate another person's religious beliefs to meet their own?

Orthodox Jewish men are not allowed to touch women they are not related/married to. This is something I am familiar with -- so why should she be rejected for politely pointing out she does not make physical contact with anyone?

The interviewer was a dick, and yes, the law was on her side. You don't get to touch people who don't want to be touched; she was discriminated against because of it. It's pretty simple.

[Katganistan]

OK I'm confused. Where is the misandry here?

There isn't any.

[Petrasylvania]

OK I'm confused. Where is the misandry here?

There isn't any.

Gender is a zero sum game, so when a woman is treated like a human being, all men are oppressed, or something like that.

[Vassenor]

OK I'm confused. Where is the misandry here?

There isn't any.

And yet somehow the discussion managed to morph into how oppressed men are in modern society. I'm still confused by that.

[Katganistan]

Prudishness is not sexist.

Assuming all men are only interested in one thing, and shaking hands is only encouraging that demon, is very much sexist.

Please be advised that it is the men in the most sexist part of that culture that insist women be covered to avoid tempting them, and who stone women to death or imprison them for the crime of being raped.

This is not to say "All Muslim Men" or even "all men", but the "she's a sexist" nonsense is a fairy tale. This is imposed on Muslim women by men, not a "men are evil so I will not show them my body!" kind of thing.