Hungary Bans Gender Studies at Unis

[Gig em Aggies]

Okay so roll gender studies into anatomy or sociology or even psychology the class by itself is useless so why not roll it into the curriculum of a class that does matter. High schools do this all the time they get rid of one class then they take what you would have learned in that class and have you learn it in a similar class.

High school isn't university.

No it's not but the concept I see the same why continue offering a class that won't apply to about roughly 90% of the jobs. Tell me this how would gender studies help an engineer or emergency services, or a writer or a person who works in the movie industry?

[Sicaris]

It doesn’t really matter. Gender Studies is the most useless degree you could possibly get. It makes you no more qualified than the average person for anything OTHER than reteaching the subject.

It shouldn’t exist in the first place and should be a minor point in sociology and biology classes.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Before condemning Hungary, I'm not sure to what extent universities are funded by the government in Hungary compared to, say, student fees.
It may be that it is absolutely the government's decision what people can study their if they are almost completely responsible for funding.

[Thanatttynia]

Gender studies is kinda a useless degree in most places, but why ban it? If someone wants to major in gender studies, let 'em. Just as useful/useless as a "communications" degree or any other broad degree, but nobody wants to ban those. This is just a move for political brownie points from an increasingly autocratic government. Pass.

Probably because gender studies degrees are essentially indoctrination courses. The whole point of a university is to receive additional education, not be dictated what to believe by a professor detached from reality.

gag

All education is indoctrination. The whole point of a university is for the student to become more educated, yes. Why then would you have a problem with this example of education? Could it be that an imagined ideological opposition is prejudicing you against this legitimate field of study?

The Hungarian government is populist and does what the people want it to do. This banning of gender studies has reinforced the feelings and thoughts of most Hungarians. The Hungarian people understand what these studies are all about, destroying our former studies of gender and propagandizing a new gender form that will ultimately lead to the demographic displacement of the country...which we are also seeing in other areas of study within Europe.

Which is what I said at the beginning, reinforcing outdated ideas about gender roles and gender identity that have no place in the modern West.

And what outdated ideas about gender roles and identity would they be?

Well, gender studies doesn't help the labor market, plus it's a pretty useless area of study on its own. It's best suited to be a subtopic of sociology than an independent study, because at least sociology is useful for something.

Imagine thinking that education is only useful insofar as it 'helps the labor market.' Having a view like this means denying yourself the opportunity (or, for Hungarians, denying other people the opportunity) to learn about a lot of things.

Good for Hungary. You honestly don't need any of that "studies" crap.
Besides, the less cultural marxism in schools, the better.

Ah yes, le meaningless buzzword

[Thanatttynia]

It doesn’t really matter. Gender Studies is the most useless degree you could possibly get. It makes you no more qualified than the average person for anything OTHER than reteaching the subject.

It shouldn’t exist in the first place and should be a minor point in sociology and biology classes.

You don't think gender matters?

[Fartsniffage]

High school isn't university.

No it's not but the concept I see the same why continue offering a class that won't apply to about roughly 90% of the jobs. Tell me this how would gender studies help an engineer or emergency services, or a writer or a person who works in the movie industry?

You're smarter than this. I refuse to engage in a conversation that makes you look this stupid.

[Shrillland]

Before condemning Hungary, I'm not sure to what extent universities are funded by the government in Hungary compared to, say, student fees.
It may be that it is absolutely the government's decision what people can study their if they are almost completely responsible for funding.

Well, it's government funded...with conditions. If you receive subsidised education, you have to pay back the balance by taking a job in Hungary and having a portion of your cheque deducted like a payroll tax.

[Zex]

Something of absolutely no value to the public, payed for by the public, is removed by said public. Rest of the world should fallow suit, no point in wasting public funds on pointless degrees when private schools are a thing.

[Ifreann]

I want you to read your post again, but imagine that you were talking about banning fluid mechanics* classes and just rolling it the study of fluid mechanics into physics or engineering.

That sounds fucking stupid, right? People already only learn about fluid mechanics in engineering classes, and maybe narrow down their studies to just fluid mechanics or maybe focus on something else and leave that aside.



*p equals rho g h

No it's not stupid why waste space on campus for classes that have no reason to exist by themselves. The way I see is that this class could be brought back if a need for it was established in society.

...
Look. I don't have the patience to explain to you that gender is A THING in society and therefore we should study gender, but it is.

And to further not waste space or money they should only offer it during either the summer, online, or offer it as a seasonal class.

As someone who lives in a godless socialist country where, in theory, going to university is free, so fucking what if studying gender studies doesn't earn profit for the university?

But what I said wasn't stupid plus does it look like I care about fluid mechanics?

I dunno, does your home have running water?

[Sovaal]

Hardly the worse thing in the world.

[Zex]

gag
All education is indoctrination
this legitimate field of study
le meaningless buzzword

That's pretty cringe

[Hammer Britannia]

It doesn’t really matter. Gender Studies is the most useless degree you could possibly get. It makes you no more qualified than the average person for anything OTHER than reteaching the subject.

It shouldn’t exist in the first place and should be a minor point in sociology and biology classes.

You don't think gender matters?

It really doesn't

All you need to know long term is that guy have pee pee and girl have hole and that either can transition themselves to have the other body parts

[Ifreann]

You don't think gender matters?

It really doesn't

All you need to know long term is that guy have pee pee and girl have hole and that either can transition themselves to have the other body parts

"Quantum physics really doesn't matter"

[Hammer Britannia]

It really doesn't

All you need to know long term is that guy have pee pee and girl have hole and that either can transition themselves to have the other body parts

"Quantum physics really doesn't matter"

Gender isn't nearly as complex as quantum physics.

There's a huge jump between whether you put your junk in or get junk put in you and the nature of reality itself.

[Liriena]

In a statement, Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs said that there is “no demonstrable demand for graduates of ‘social gender studies’ in the Hungarian labor market.

Damn, it's like they purposefully set out to make the best example of how capitalist instrumentalism can be used by fascist ideologues to further their tyrannical goals.

Anyway, this is shitty.

[Liriena]

"Quantum physics really doesn't matter"

Gender isn't nearly as complex as quantum physics.

There's a huge jump between whether you put your junk in or get junk put in you and the nature of reality itself.

^ this guy needs gender studies

[Hammer Britannia]

Gender isn't nearly as complex as quantum physics.

There's a huge jump between whether you put your junk in or get junk put in you and the nature of reality itself.

^ this guy needs gender studies

I'd rather not needlessly spend thousands of dollars on a useless class, thank you very much.

[Liriena]

Gender isn't nearly as complex as quantum physics.

[laughs in A Cyborg Manifesto]

[Geneviev]

As much as gender studies isn't immediately useful for jobs, neither is philosophy. People still study it. It's not useful, but it's education and that's good.

[Liriena]

^ this guy needs gender studies

I'd rather not needlessly spend thousands of dollars on a useless class, thank you very much.

[laughs in tuition-free college education]

[Hammer Britannia]

Gender isn't nearly as complex as quantum physics.

[laughs in A Cyborg Manifesto]

[Thanatttynia]

gag
All education is indoctrination
this legitimate field of study
le meaningless buzzword

That's pretty cringe

Lol! I love debating!

You don't think gender matters?

It really doesn't

All you need to know long term is that guy have pee pee and girl have hole and that either can transition themselves to have the other body parts

TIL that gender doesn't impact how people interact with each other

Do you act exactly the same around women as you do around men?

[Hammer Britannia]

I'd rather not needlessly spend thousands of dollars on a useless class, thank you very much.

[laughs in tuition-free college education]

Still useless, I could get the same info for free and much faster on Tumblr.

Mostly because Gender Studies courses are what mold those internet cesspools

[Liriena]

[laughs in A Cyborg Manifesto]

Simultaneously the worst and the best thing I've ever read.

[Cekoviu]

Seriously? Of course they serve the labor market; how else would there be gender studies professors??