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Postby Post War America » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:19 am

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Frievolk wrote:And you're not supposed to go to college to find a job. Finding a job by going to a college is, at best, a really really risky gamble. Unless you're already sure you'll be provided with a job once you're out of college (or unless you really don't need it) college probably isn't for you.


It is not a gamble at all, if people know for a fact that certain career fields or job positions expect a 2 or 4+ year degree by default or at minimum. Such as if someone's intention is to become a medical, legal, or financial professional.

Too many employers disqualify you if you don't have post high school education, but you can also be turned down because you don't have the right certifications or work experience. Work experience is most important to HR people, but it often isn't clear as to how the hell people are supposed to get the right connections and everything else that is demanded for candidates.

Employers shouldn't bitch and whine about their inability to fill all of the jobs they have available, if they're not willing to pour any resources into job training anymore or otherwise have set the bar too high for entry level.


Can confirm, as someone who's looked at and applied for even entry level positions, the requirements are frequently ridiculous. Its only a slight exaggeration to say that many companies want someone who has a degree, a professional certification, and a decade of experience, who's also under 30 years of age.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:01 pm

What happens when Women's Studies meet Capitalism?

1. University Professors and Administrators, including those in women's studies, are demanding more and more compensation for their hard efforts of doing research they want at their own leisure. It's hard work. Who pays for that? Tuition. So tuition goes up.

2. More women attend college than men, but come from lower socio-economic backgrounds. That means that women take out a higher loan payments than men. Additionally, women earn less than men, because of socio-economic factors and Women's Studies aren't particularly wanted in the workplace.

3. With massive support for immigration that most Liberal Professors have, the supply of foreign women is quite big. They typically don't demand equality while earning less, and have no student loans, because saner countries in Europe, Asia, heck, even some African ones, tend to not require that one takes out a mortgage to attend college, and their professors don't demand obscene payments as salaries: https://academicpositions.com/career-ad ... -the-world

When these factors are combined, that means that more women are going to be graduating from college, with a degree that's not in demand, and being unable to marry or start a family, unless it's with a fellow woman, (which is ok, I'm all for LGBT marriage,) but said woman also has massive student loans.

Oh right, sauce: http://fortune.com/2018/06/05/women-student-loan-debt/

America’s student loan debt problem is nearing a full-blown crisis. Outstanding student debt hit $1.5 trillion for the first time ever, and it doesn’t seem to be getting better. In fact, it appears that the trend is only accelerating when you consider that student debt accounted for $600 billion 10 years ago. There are approximately 44 million borrowers in the United States, and the majority of them are women, according to a new report from the American Association of University Women (AAUW).

Women represented 56% of those enrolled in American colleges and universities in fall 2016, but the report reveals that women also take on more (and larger) student loans than men. In total, women hold nearly two-thirds of the outstanding student debt in America, nearly $900 billion as of mid-2018, the report says. AAUW estimates that women working full-time with college degrees make 26% less than their male counterparts, though the gap is somewhat smaller immediately after college. In turn, lower pay means less income to devote to debt repayment and more interest over time.


This is going to sound heartless to some, and with much common sense to others, but I worked my ass off to be debt free, and I'm most certainly not interested in acquiring anyone's student debt. When confronted with someone who has debt, and someone who doesn't, if all of the other factors are equal - it's not a hard choice. Here is a blog that expands on this choice: https://www.foreignsinglesfinder.com/da ... eignwomen/

Naturally, there is a simple solution: work to provide free collegiate education. But for that, you need men, especially white men, as allies. The question is this: what are your priorities? Is it to provide a better life for women, or to feel good about your research? Because when you combine them, it's Women's Studies meets Capitalism.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:52 pm

Shofercia wrote:Naturally, there is a simple solution: work to provide free collegiate education. But for that, you need men, especially white men, as allies. The question is this: what are your priorities? Is it to provide a better life for women, or to feel good about your research? Because when you combine them, it's Women's Studies meets Capitalism.


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Shofercia wrote:What happens when Women's Studies meet Capitalism?

1. University Professors and Administrators, including those in women's studies, are demanding more and more compensation for their hard efforts of doing research they want at their own leisure. It's hard work. Who pays for that? Tuition. So tuition goes up.

2. More women attend college than men, but come from lower socio-economic backgrounds. That means that women take out a higher loan payments than men. Additionally, women earn less than men, because of socio-economic factors and Women's Studies aren't particularly wanted in the workplace.

3. With massive support for immigration that most Liberal Professors have, the supply of foreign women is quite big. They typically don't demand equality while earning less, and have no student loans, because saner countries in Europe, Asia, heck, even some African ones, tend to not require that one takes out a mortgage to attend college, and their professors don't demand obscene payments as salaries: https://academicpositions.com/career-ad ... -the-world

When these factors are combined, that means that more women are going to be graduating from college, with a degree that's not in demand, and being unable to marry or start a family, unless it's with a fellow woman, (which is ok, I'm all for LGBT marriage,) but said woman also has massive student loans.

Oh right, sauce: http://fortune.com/2018/06/05/women-student-loan-debt/

America’s student loan debt problem is nearing a full-blown crisis. Outstanding student debt hit $1.5 trillion for the first time ever, and it doesn’t seem to be getting better. In fact, it appears that the trend is only accelerating when you consider that student debt accounted for $600 billion 10 years ago. There are approximately 44 million borrowers in the United States, and the majority of them are women, according to a new report from the American Association of University Women (AAUW).

Women represented 56% of those enrolled in American colleges and universities in fall 2016, but the report reveals that women also take on more (and larger) student loans than men. In total, women hold nearly two-thirds of the outstanding student debt in America, nearly $900 billion as of mid-2018, the report says. AAUW estimates that women working full-time with college degrees make 26% less than their male counterparts, though the gap is somewhat smaller immediately after college. In turn, lower pay means less income to devote to debt repayment and more interest over time.


This is going to sound heartless to some, and with much common sense to others, but I worked my ass off to be debt free, and I'm most certainly not interested in acquiring anyone's student debt. When confronted with someone who has debt, and someone who doesn't, if all of the other factors are equal - it's not a hard choice. Here is a blog that expands on this choice: https://www.foreignsinglesfinder.com/da ... eignwomen/

Naturally, there is a simple solution: work to provide free collegiate education. But for that, you need men, especially white men, as allies. The question is this: what are your priorities? Is it to provide a better life for women, or to feel good about your research? Because when you combine them, it's Women's Studies meets Capitalism.

Generally you're right, but I'm not fully sold on taking advice from a man who uses "get a woman from where they stay in the kitchen and will be happy to slace for you" blogs.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:11 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Naturally, there is a simple solution: work to provide free collegiate education. But for that, you need men, especially white men, as allies. The question is this: what are your priorities? Is it to provide a better life for women, or to feel good about your research? Because when you combine them, it's Women's Studies meets Capitalism.


The solution is simple: abolish capitalism. According to most mainstream feminists anyway.


Something that's completely unrealistic... why am I not surprised?


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Shofercia wrote:What happens when Women's Studies meet Capitalism?

1. University Professors and Administrators, including those in women's studies, are demanding more and more compensation for their hard efforts of doing research they want at their own leisure. It's hard work. Who pays for that? Tuition. So tuition goes up.

2. More women attend college than men, but come from lower socio-economic backgrounds. That means that women take out a higher loan payments than men. Additionally, women earn less than men, because of socio-economic factors and Women's Studies aren't particularly wanted in the workplace.

3. With massive support for immigration that most Liberal Professors have, the supply of foreign women is quite big. They typically don't demand equality while earning less, and have no student loans, because saner countries in Europe, Asia, heck, even some African ones, tend to not require that one takes out a mortgage to attend college, and their professors don't demand obscene payments as salaries: https://academicpositions.com/career-ad ... -the-world

When these factors are combined, that means that more women are going to be graduating from college, with a degree that's not in demand, and being unable to marry or start a family, unless it's with a fellow woman, (which is ok, I'm all for LGBT marriage,) but said woman also has massive student loans.

Oh right, sauce: http://fortune.com/2018/06/05/women-student-loan-debt/



This is going to sound heartless to some, and with much common sense to others, but I worked my ass off to be debt free, and I'm most certainly not interested in acquiring anyone's student debt. When confronted with someone who has debt, and someone who doesn't, if all of the other factors are equal - it's not a hard choice. Here is a blog that expands on this choice: https://www.foreignsinglesfinder.com/da ... eignwomen/

Naturally, there is a simple solution: work to provide free collegiate education. But for that, you need men, especially white men, as allies. The question is this: what are your priorities? Is it to provide a better life for women, or to feel good about your research? Because when you combine them, it's Women's Studies meets Capitalism.

Generally you're right, but I'm not fully sold on taking advice from a man who uses "get a woman from where they stay in the kitchen and will be happy to slace for you" blogs.


I value education, and my woman is going to need a degree, which you don't get by staying in the kitchen. That said, you have to read blogs that disagree with you, and site them when they explain certain things, even if you disagree with their premise. If you're unable to do even this form of basic research in the digital age, you could be confining your kids to the kitchen... the McDonald's kitchen. Would you like fries with that?

From said blog:

Modern values in America are often a far cry to the traditional values of the early pioneers who established the country. There is a general lack of respect for authorities or elders (encapsulated in the popular 1960’s phrase “Don’t trust anyone over thirty”), a blasé attitude towards drug use, increasingly defiant stance towards organized religion, and a more visceral taste in entertainment (comparing the more subdued television shows in the mid-twentieth century with today’s programs will prove this easily).


I don't want someone with a blasé attitude towards drug use. If you're 420 friendly, that's fine. If you think that getting drunk on a weekly basis is hilarious, that's not.

As a result, both men and women have a tendency to use flirtatious clothing and have no problems talking about their private sex lives in a public discussion.


I don't want to read Facebook posts describing our sex in detail, unless that it was a one night stand. While the article says a lot of dumb things, it makes a lot of good points too.

Having a low-maintenance wife is a big plus for many men, rather than one who is used to indulgences.


That's very true.

The divorce rates in the west far surpass those in other countries; more than half of American couples split up, and the wife initiates 69 percent of breakups. Unfortunately, this also means that many children grow up with separated parents and have developed a mindset that views marriage vows as something to be kept only when it is still convenient. Indeed, a huge number of Americans profess their eternal love to each other within weeks or months after first meeting, a timeframe that foreigners would consider too short to choose a lifelong spouse.

On the other hand, foreign women, especially those in religious countries, are likely to take marriage as a sacred commitment, hence they are more willing to find ways to heal and make the marriage work when times get rough. Parents and grandparents also play a major role in the process by supplying guidance and pointing out flaws in the chosen groom that the young bride might not want to see when she is blinded by a whirlwind romance. With the combined wisdom of the elderly generation and the passion of the younger generation, divorces still occur but are far less frequent than in the West.


Heck yeah! Obviously if the relationship is abusive, it's time for divorce. But divorcing someone over political views, or because they're working a lot and not providing comfort, or going through a rough job patch, or refusing to volunteer for political candidate XYZ, or... is not really a reason for divorce in my book. Once you have kids, I think that marriage becomes sacred. You're welcome to disagree. And I respect that. But that also means that we're not going to get married in the first place.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:19 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Naturally, there is a simple solution: work to provide free collegiate education. But for that, you need men, especially white men, as allies. The question is this: what are your priorities? Is it to provide a better life for women, or to feel good about your research? Because when you combine them, it's Women's Studies meets Capitalism.

The solution is simple: abolish capitalism. According to most mainstream feminists anyway.

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Postby Post War America » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:12 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Naturally, there is a simple solution: work to provide free collegiate education. But for that, you need men, especially white men, as allies. The question is this: what are your priorities? Is it to provide a better life for women, or to feel good about your research? Because when you combine them, it's Women's Studies meets Capitalism.


The solution is simple: abolish capitalism. According to most mainstream feminists anyway.


You clearly haven't met many mainstream feminists have you. As a socialist who actually is in favor of abolishing capitalism as an end goal, I can tell you most feminists don't really care about capitalism.
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Shrillland wrote:From Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/11/hungarys-populist-government-abolishes-gender-studies-courses.html

And from the more centre-left Hungarian newspaper Nepszava: https://nepszava.hu/3004604_megszolalt-gender-ugyben-a-ceu-elutasitjuk-a-cenzurat

Hungary’s populist government is stopping universities from offering courses in gender studies, saying there is no need for graduates in the labor market and they take taxpayer money away from other programs.

The move, announced this week, comes after Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s government won a comfortably majority in elections in April after an election focused primarily on immigration. Since then his Fidesz Party has been implementing key parts of its election manifesto.

In a statement, Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs said that there is “no demonstrable demand for graduates of ‘social gender studies’ in the Hungarian labor market.
“There is no economic rationale for studies such as these, and so we have reason to presume that it was not created in response to labor market needs, and equally not to furnish students with skills that can be readily and directly converted on the labor market,” he said. It is also questionable to what extent studies with admittedly such low student numbers are economical and sustainable.”

Hungary’s HVG said that it would only affect two of the country’s universities, but also that such courses had been in the government’s crosshairs for a while.

Critics of the nationalist government say that Orban has been engaging in authoritarian tactics and this move is likely only to fuel such claims.

But Kovacs, the government spokesman, said that such programs “take valuable resources away from other programs, and deteriorate the economic stability of universities.”

“State universities operated from public funds must take this into consideration as the purpose of these higher education institutions is to meet genuine social and labour market needs,” he said.

Earlier this year, his government implemented a “Stop Soros” package aimed at Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros.

HUNGARY'S PRO-TRUMP, POPULIST GOVERNMENT PUSHES SOROS CRACKDOWN

The package includes a law that makes it illegal for non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to organize illegal immigration into the country. Such organization can range from financial support to the distribution and preparation of information and pamphlets.

Soros’ Open Society Foundation has moved its Budapest offices to Berlin shortly after the election amid what it described as a “repressive political and legal environment.”


Simply put, Orban's forcing Hungary's two largest universities to get rid of gender studies courses claiming that they're not productive and that universities exist to serve the labour market, which these courses don't really do.

What say you, NSG?

Me personally, no they don't serve the labour market, but that's not the point of universities. The point is to educate people in any course that they choose. Orban should just come out and say that he and Fidesz are trying to reinforce gender roles.


Fox News wrote:Hungary’s populist government is stopping universities from offering courses in gender studies, saying there is no need for graduates in the labor market and they take taxpayer money away from other programs.

Being those public universities, I support the move. Education, at the very least public education, is primarily a way to incentive the buildup of human capital and maturity traits -- both of which aren't served by BS degrees like Gender Studies.

Now, were he to ban it on private unis I'd be against it.
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Great Minarchistan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:From Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/11/hungarys-populist-government-abolishes-gender-studies-courses.html

And from the more centre-left Hungarian newspaper Nepszava: https://nepszava.hu/3004604_megszolalt-gender-ugyben-a-ceu-elutasitjuk-a-cenzurat

Hungary’s populist government is stopping universities from offering courses in gender studies, saying there is no need for graduates in the labor market and they take taxpayer money away from other programs.

The move, announced this week, comes after Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s government won a comfortably majority in elections in April after an election focused primarily on immigration. Since then his Fidesz Party has been implementing key parts of its election manifesto.

In a statement, Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs said that there is “no demonstrable demand for graduates of ‘social gender studies’ in the Hungarian labor market.
“There is no economic rationale for studies such as these, and so we have reason to presume that it was not created in response to labor market needs, and equally not to furnish students with skills that can be readily and directly converted on the labor market,” he said. It is also questionable to what extent studies with admittedly such low student numbers are economical and sustainable.”

Hungary’s HVG said that it would only affect two of the country’s universities, but also that such courses had been in the government’s crosshairs for a while.

Critics of the nationalist government say that Orban has been engaging in authoritarian tactics and this move is likely only to fuel such claims.

But Kovacs, the government spokesman, said that such programs “take valuable resources away from other programs, and deteriorate the economic stability of universities.”

“State universities operated from public funds must take this into consideration as the purpose of these higher education institutions is to meet genuine social and labour market needs,” he said.

Earlier this year, his government implemented a “Stop Soros” package aimed at Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros.

HUNGARY'S PRO-TRUMP, POPULIST GOVERNMENT PUSHES SOROS CRACKDOWN

The package includes a law that makes it illegal for non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to organize illegal immigration into the country. Such organization can range from financial support to the distribution and preparation of information and pamphlets.

Soros’ Open Society Foundation has moved its Budapest offices to Berlin shortly after the election amid what it described as a “repressive political and legal environment.”


Simply put, Orban's forcing Hungary's two largest universities to get rid of gender studies courses claiming that they're not productive and that universities exist to serve the labour market, which these courses don't really do.

What say you, NSG?

Me personally, no they don't serve the labour market, but that's not the point of universities. The point is to educate people in any course that they choose. Orban should just come out and say that he and Fidesz are trying to reinforce gender roles.


Fox News wrote:Hungary’s populist government is stopping universities from offering courses in gender studies, saying there is no need for graduates in the labor market and they take taxpayer money away from other programs.

Being those public universities, I support the move. Education, at the very least public education, is primarily a way to incentive the buildup of human capital and maturity traits -- both of which aren't served by BS degrees like Gender Studies.

Now, were he to ban it on private unis I'd be against it.


One of the two colleges is private, CEU, and Orban chose it not because it was primarily big, but because it was created and is funded by the bogeyman George Soros. ELTE I can see him doing because it is Hungary's largest public university, though I still wouldn't agree on general principles.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:52 pm

Shrillland wrote:One of the two colleges is private, CEU, and Orban chose it not because it was primarily big, but because it was created and is funded by the bogeyman George Soros. ELTE I can see him doing because it is Hungary's largest public university, though I still wouldn't agree on general principles.

Mixed opinions then :P he would be better off cutting funding subsidies for those majors.
Regardless, why do you disagree on the principles behind it?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:57 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:One of the two colleges is private, CEU, and Orban chose it not because it was primarily big, but because it was created and is funded by the bogeyman George Soros. ELTE I can see him doing because it is Hungary's largest public university, though I still wouldn't agree on general principles.

Mixed opinions then :P he would be better off cutting funding subsidies for those majors.
Regardless, why do you disagree on the principles behind it?


Because universities aren't meant to make people good workers, that's a side benefit. They're meant to make people good thinkers, to encourage creativity in arts, humanities, and sciences. When a society decides that higher education should only serve to make people employable, then it stifles the creative spark needed to progress.
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Shrillland wrote:Because universities aren't meant to make people good workers, that's a side benefit. They're meant to make people good thinkers, to encourage creativity in arts, humanities, and sciences. When a society decides that higher education should only serve to make people employable, then it stifles the creative spark needed to progress.

Creativity isn't mutually exclusive from improvement of human capital (in fact it tends to be mutually inclusive, as innovation is the driver of efficiency). But gender studies have no actual prospect on any of both sides, and so taxpayer money shouldn't be applied on it.
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Postby Frievolk » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:57 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
The solution is simple: abolish capitalism. According to most mainstream feminists anyway.


Something that's completely unrealistic... why am I not surprised?


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Generally you're right, but I'm not fully sold on taking advice from a man who uses "get a woman from where they stay in the kitchen and will be happy to slace for you" blogs.


I value education, and my woman is going to need a degree, which you don't get by staying in the kitchen. That said, you have to read blogs that disagree with you, and site them when they explain certain things, even if you disagree with their premise. If you're unable to do even this form of basic research in the digital age, you could be confining your kids to the kitchen... the McDonald's kitchen. Would you like fries with that?

From said blog:

Modern values in America are often a far cry to the traditional values of the early pioneers who established the country. There is a general lack of respect for authorities or elders (encapsulated in the popular 1960’s phrase “Don’t trust anyone over thirty”), a blasé attitude towards drug use, increasingly defiant stance towards organized religion, and a more visceral taste in entertainment (comparing the more subdued television shows in the mid-twentieth century with today’s programs will prove this easily).


I don't want someone with a blasé attitude towards drug use. If you're 420 friendly, that's fine. If you think that getting drunk on a weekly basis is hilarious, that's not.

As a result, both men and women have a tendency to use flirtatious clothing and have no problems talking about their private sex lives in a public discussion.


I don't want to read Facebook posts describing our sex in detail, unless that it was a one night stand. While the article says a lot of dumb things, it makes a lot of good points too.

Having a low-maintenance wife is a big plus for many men, rather than one who is used to indulgences.


That's very true.

The divorce rates in the west far surpass those in other countries; more than half of American couples split up, and the wife initiates 69 percent of breakups. Unfortunately, this also means that many children grow up with separated parents and have developed a mindset that views marriage vows as something to be kept only when it is still convenient. Indeed, a huge number of Americans profess their eternal love to each other within weeks or months after first meeting, a timeframe that foreigners would consider too short to choose a lifelong spouse.

On the other hand, foreign women, especially those in religious countries, are likely to take marriage as a sacred commitment, hence they are more willing to find ways to heal and make the marriage work when times get rough. Parents and grandparents also play a major role in the process by supplying guidance and pointing out flaws in the chosen groom that the young bride might not want to see when she is blinded by a whirlwind romance. With the combined wisdom of the elderly generation and the passion of the younger generation, divorces still occur but are far less frequent than in the West.


Heck yeah! Obviously if the relationship is abusive, it's time for divorce. But divorcing someone over political views, or because they're working a lot and not providing comfort, or going through a rough job patch, or refusing to volunteer for political candidate XYZ, or... is not really a reason for divorce in my book. Once you have kids, I think that marriage becomes sacred. You're welcome to disagree. And I respect that. But that also means that we're not going to get married in the first place.

I'll be honest with you. Every single one of the "points" the blog pointed out as a moral falling is a good thing in my opinion and a sign we're superior to our previous generations in every way. I'm not sure if that's a bad thing in my part or not lol.
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Postby BigOstan » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:39 am

universities exist to serve the labour market

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Trying to use education to reduce poverty? How dare they?! Get the EU involved, someone needs to remind them there are two roles a university can perform: political indoctrination and helping rich kids with their virtue signaling.

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Great Minarchistan wrote:Mixed opinions then :P he would be better off cutting funding subsidies for those majors.
Regardless, why do you disagree on the principles behind it?


Because universities aren't meant to make people good workers, that's a side benefit. They're meant to make people good thinkers, to encourage creativity in arts, humanities, and sciences. When a society decides that higher education should only serve to make people employable, then it stifles the creative spark needed to progress.

If the taxpayers don't want to spend on useless degrees or, say, immigration, that's their business. The EU trying to regulate it is only playing into the hands of its detractors. It is sad really, how ideology can make their geopolitical strategy so blind. Wherever went the realpolitik that keeps any organisation alive?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:57 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Gender studies might be a meme but banning it is pretty silly.


basically this
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:40 am

Shofercia wrote:Something that's completely unrealistic... why am I not surprised?


That's feminism in a nutshell.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:57 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Shofercia wrote:Something that's completely unrealistic... why am I not surprised?


That's feminism in a nutshell.

Yeah, clearly women should accept that they're meant to submit and serve men. /s
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Petrasylvania wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
That's feminism in a nutshell.

Yeah, clearly women should accept that they're meant to submit and serve men.


Women aren't oppressed anymore, feminism is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about ''manspreading'' are just seeking attention.
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Postby Frievolk » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:05 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Yeah, clearly women should accept that they're meant to submit and serve men.


Women aren't oppressed anymore, feminism is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about ''manspreading'' are just seeking attention.
Yeah. Because you're the one who gets to decide when an oppressed group "is no longer oppressed"
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Chernoslavia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Yeah, clearly women should accept that they're meant to submit and serve men.


Women aren't oppressed anymore, feminism is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about ''manspreading'' are just seeking attention.

Blacks aren't oppressed anymore, civil rights is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about police racism are just seeking attention.

Wait, you'd believe that unironically.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:08 am

Frievolk wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Women aren't oppressed anymore, feminism is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about ''manspreading'' are just seeking attention.
Yeah. Because you're the one who gets to decide when an oppressed group "is no longer oppressed"


Show me where women are being ''oppressed'' in the US.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Petrasylvania wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Women aren't oppressed anymore, feminism is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about ''manspreading'' are just seeking attention.

Blacks aren't oppressed anymore, civil rights is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about police racism are just seeking attention.

Wait, you'd believe that unironically.


Show me where the government systemically oppresses blacks.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:11 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Blacks aren't oppressed anymore, civil rights is obsolete and the ones taking to the streets and shouting nonsense about police racism are just seeking attention.

Wait, you'd believe that unironically.


Show me where the government oppresses blacks.

Disproportionate marijuana arrests and incarceration compared to whites for one. Or are you going to pretend racism magically disappeared in government?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:11 am

Terra Novae Libero wrote:I always thought that it was odd for Gender Studies to be their own subject. Surely it should just be an aspect of sociology/anthropology

Theoretical Physics is a mathematics degree.
*shrug*

It will be taught by sociology professors in the sociology department, but it's not sociology, it is gender studies. It is an aspect of sociology indeed.

Also gender studies can easily serve the labour market, does Hungary not have HR?
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