Hungary Bans Gender Studies at Unis

[Luziyca]

Gender studies might be a meme but banning it is pretty silly.

Pretty much this.

[Major-Tom]

Costa no.

Costa yes.

Gender studies is kinda a useless degree in most places, but why ban it? If someone wants to major in gender studies, let 'em. Just as useful/useless as a "communications" degree or any other broad degree, but nobody wants to ban those. This is just a move for political brownie points from an increasingly autocratic government. Pass.

Probably because gender studies degrees are essentially indoctrination courses. The whole point of a university is to receive additional education, not be dictated what to believe by a professor detached from reality.

But who cares anyway? Yes, gender studies is a fucking meme of a degree, but those pursuing such a degree presumably understand what they're getting into. The idea that it is indoctrination is such a stretch, too, I mean, if you're taking econ, chances are the professor is going to be biased towards a certain economic thought process, plenty of my Professors will throw shit at you that is nothing more than opinion.

But that's just, like, college man.

[Shrillland]

Costa no.

Costa yes.

Gender studies is kinda a useless degree in most places, but why ban it? If someone wants to major in gender studies, let 'em. Just as useful/useless as a "communications" degree or any other broad degree, but nobody wants to ban those. This is just a move for political brownie points from an increasingly autocratic government. Pass.

Probably because gender studies degrees are essentially indoctrination courses. The whole point of a university is to receive additional education, not be dictated what to believe by a professor detached from reality.

If we follow that line, then political science and certain history courses are also indoctrination courses because they all ultimately hinge on how the professor teaches them.

[Dark Socialism]

Hungary keeps going in the right direction

[Xmara]

this website sums it up perfectly. It calls "Theater Staff" a profession you can get with a gender studies degree

I highly disagree that a person who studied gender studies could be called a Nurse practitioner.

It suggested physician as well.

PHYSICIAN

Look, I don't care what someone majors in, but my physician better have more than a gender studies degree.

[Xmara]

Costa yes.



Probably because gender studies degrees are essentially indoctrination courses. The whole point of a university is to receive additional education, not be dictated what to believe by a professor detached from reality.

If we follow that line, then political science and certain history courses are also indoctrination courses because they all ultimately hinge on how the professor teaches them.

You can turn anything into an indoctrination course if you try hard enough.

[Saiwania]

This is pretty fantastic. Gender Studies as a major is arguably worse than having no degree at all. It'll keep you unemployed. This is the first phase or step towards an opportunity to get rid of all junk degrees. This is so refreshingly right. The purge of whats wrong within education must not stop.

[Costa Fierro]

But who cares anyway? Yes, gender studies is a fucking meme of a degree, but those pursuing such a degree presumably understand what they're getting into.

They do. Which is why they should be discouraged from doing so.

The idea that it is indoctrination is such a stretch, too, I mean, if you're taking econ, chances are the professor is going to be biased towards a certain economic thought process, plenty of my Professors will throw shit at you that is nothing more than opinion.

The difference between economics and gender studies is that economics, as much of a dark art it is, is valuable, and it also has competing and (likely) equally valid schools of theory. Gender studies is not valuable nor is it filled with competing and valid ideas: it's a bitter overweight woman telling the gullible morons that take those courses that men are evil and women are victims.

If we follow that line, then political science and certain history courses are also indoctrination courses because they all ultimately hinge on how the professor teaches them.

Political science and and history courses normally would allow for differences of opinions, and the both of them are more useful for society than gender studies. If the professors are spending their time teaching their own version of history, then they should be removed from their post and prohibited from teaching.

[Dooom35796821595]

This reminds me of that Futurama quote; “all scientists report to the Tokyo stadium for emergency scientific conference!”
“I have a degree in homeopathic medicine!” “You have a degree in baloney!” Que water cannon.

[Gig em Aggies]

If we follow that line, then political science and certain history courses are also indoctrination courses because they all ultimately hinge on how the professor teaches them.

You can turn anything into an indoctrination course if you try hard enough.

But these days especially in America political science classes as well as some history classes are being used to tell people that there country is not deserving and that liberalism or socialism is great, when it's not. I put this way today's college professors give you ice cream with sprinkles and cherries and tells you it tastes good but once you take a bite you find out that in reality it tastes like sour milk and salt.

[Ifreann]

Costa no.

Costa yes.

No. You don't actually want this. No MG[H]OW, no MRA of any flavour, should be saying that they want gender studies banned. Not if they have any aspirations to intellectual integrity. You definitely do want gender as a concept and how it interacts with society to be something subject to academic scrutiny. You might object to the dominant philosophical/political bias in the field, but you should want the field to exist. You want people doing research and writing papers about this. How else do you expect society to learn about gender?

[Shrillland]

I highly disagree that a person who studied gender studies could be called a Nurse practitioner.

It suggested physician as well.

PHYSICIAN

Look, I don't care what someone majors in, but my physician better have more than a gender studies degree.

Yeah, but I can actually see how a gender studies degree would help in a doctor's relations with some of their patients. You'd be surprised how many male doctors are tone-deaf when it comes to women's health, for example.

[Gig em Aggies]

Costa yes.

No. You don't actually want this. No MG[H]OW, no MRA of any flavour, should be saying that they want gender studies banned. Not if they have any aspirations to intellectual integrity. You definitely do want gender as a concept and how it interacts with society to be something subject to academic scrutiny. You might object to the dominant philosophical/political bias in the field, but you should want the field to exist. You want people doing research and writing papers about this. How else do you expect society to learn about gender?

Okay so roll gender studies into anatomy or sociology or even psychology the class by itself is useless so why not roll it into the curriculum of a class that does matter. High schools do this all the time they get rid of one class then they take what you would have learned in that class and have you learn it in a similar class.

[MERIZoC]

I always thought that it was odd for Gender Studies to be their own subject. Surely it should just be an aspect of sociology/anthropology

I mean, it is, but its a large enough field that it'd be dumb to try and wedge it into one of those programs. Similarly, it'd be absurd if religious studies was just lumped in with sociology or anthropology. There's too much to focus on.

[Fartsniffage]

No. You don't actually want this. No MG[H]OW, no MRA of any flavour, should be saying that they want gender studies banned. Not if they have any aspirations to intellectual integrity. You definitely do want gender as a concept and how it interacts with society to be something subject to academic scrutiny. You might object to the dominant philosophical/political bias in the field, but you should want the field to exist. You want people doing research and writing papers about this. How else do you expect society to learn about gender?

Okay so roll gender studies into anatomy or sociology or even psychology the class by itself is useless so why not roll it into the curriculum of a class that does matter. High schools do this all the time they get rid of one class then they take what you would have learned in that class and have you learn it in a similar class.

High school isn't university.

[Abyssal Shipyard]

Good for Hungary. You honestly don't need any of that "studies" crap.
Besides, the less cultural marxism in schools, the better.

[Costa Fierro]

No. You don't actually want this. No MG[H]OW, no MRA of any flavour, should be saying that they want gender studies banned.

They would. Gender studies is nothing more than indoctrination of those who take it into viewing radical feminist concepts and beliefs, as well as feminism itself, as the only legitimate form of gender critical expression.

Not if they have any aspirations to intellectual integrity.

There's no intellectual integrity in allowing such indoctrination to exist, let alone masquerade itself as valuable education.

You definitely do want gender as a concept and how it interacts with society to be something subject to academic scrutiny.

And it should be discussed as an aspect of sociology, or perhaps introduced as a special sociological aspect in secondary schools as part of science classes.

You might object to the dominant philosophical/political bias in the field, but you should want the field to exist. You want people doing research and writing papers about this. How else do you expect society to learn about gender?

Society should learn about gender through a scientific and objective method. Gender studies is neither scientific nor objective. It should be removed from universities and its professors stripped of their abilities to teach.

[Xmara]

It suggested physician as well.

PHYSICIAN

Look, I don't care what someone majors in, but my physician better have more than a gender studies degree.

Yeah, but I can actually see how a gender studies degree would help in a doctor's relations with some of their patients. You'd be surprised how many male doctors are tone-deaf when it comes to women's health, for example.

Point made, though when I need to see a doctor for something women's health-related, I try to get a female doctor to see me (mostly because I kinda still feel awkward talking about such things with a man), which is probably why I've never ran into this issue.

[Friedensreich]

Well, gender studies doesn't help the labor market, plus it's a pretty useless area of study on its own. It's best suited to be a subtopic of sociology than an independent study, because at least sociology is useful for something.

[Ifreann]

No. You don't actually want this. No MG[H]OW, no MRA of any flavour, should be saying that they want gender studies banned. Not if they have any aspirations to intellectual integrity. You definitely do want gender as a concept and how it interacts with society to be something subject to academic scrutiny. You might object to the dominant philosophical/political bias in the field, but you should want the field to exist. You want people doing research and writing papers about this. How else do you expect society to learn about gender?

Okay so roll gender studies into anatomy or sociology or even psychology the class by itself is useless so why not roll it into the curriculum of a class that does matter. High schools do this all the time they get rid of one class then they take what you would have learned in that class and have you learn it in a similar class.

I want you to read your post again, but imagine that you were talking about banning fluid mechanics* classes and just rolling it the study of fluid mechanics into physics or engineering.

That sounds fucking stupid, right? People already only learn about fluid mechanics in engineering classes, and maybe narrow down their studies to just fluid mechanics or maybe focus on something else and leave that aside.



*p equals rho g h

[Ifreann]

No. You don't actually want this. No MG[H]OW, no MRA of any flavour, should be saying that they want gender studies banned.

They would. Gender studies is nothing more than indoctrination of those who take it into viewing radical feminist concepts and beliefs, as well as feminism itself, as the only legitimate form of gender critical expression.

Not if they have any aspirations to intellectual integrity.

There's no intellectual integrity in allowing such indoctrination to exist, let alone masquerade itself as valuable education.

You definitely do want gender as a concept and how it interacts with society to be something subject to academic scrutiny.

And it should be discussed as an aspect of sociology, or perhaps introduced as a special sociological aspect in secondary schools as part of science classes.

This is how third level education works. A college has a school of sociology under which there are gender studies classes and people who pursue degrees gender studies like how a college has a school of biology under which people pursue degrees in toxicology.

You might object to the dominant philosophical/political bias in the field, but you should want the field to exist. You want people doing research and writing papers about this. How else do you expect society to learn about gender?

Society should learn about gender through a scientific and objective method.

I.e. gender studies.

Gender studies is neither scientific nor objective. It should be removed from universities and its professors stripped of their abilities to teach.

"Ban gender studies and replace it with an academic field that studies gender"

That is what gender studies is. You don't want it to go away. You want it not to be biased.

[Proctopeo]

Gender studies might be a meme but banning it is pretty silly.

Essentially.
It's largely useless as a major, and questionable as a minor, but that's not grounds to ban a field. Just de-legitimize it in the eyes of the people

[Kustonia]

The Hungarian government is populist and does what the people want it to do. This banning of gender studies has reinforced the feelings and thoughts of most Hungarians. The Hungarian people understand what these studies are all about, destroying our former studies of gender and propagandizing a new gender form that will ultimately lead to the demographic displacement of the country...which we are also seeing in other areas of study within Europe.

[Shrillland]

The Hungarian government is populist and does what the people want it to do. This banning of gender studies has reinforced the feelings and thoughts of most Hungarians. The Hungarian people understand what these studies are all about, destroying our former studies of gender and propagandizing a new gender form that will ultimately lead to the demographic displacement of the country...which we are also seeing in other areas of study within Europe.

Which is what I said at the beginning, reinforcing outdated ideas about gender roles and gender identity that have no place in the modern West.

[Gig em Aggies]

Okay so roll gender studies into anatomy or sociology or even psychology the class by itself is useless so why not roll it into the curriculum of a class that does matter. High schools do this all the time they get rid of one class then they take what you would have learned in that class and have you learn it in a similar class.

I want you to read your post again, but imagine that you were talking about banning fluid mechanics* classes and just rolling it the study of fluid mechanics into physics or engineering.

That sounds fucking stupid, right? People already only learn about fluid mechanics in engineering classes, and maybe narrow down their studies to just fluid mechanics or maybe focus on something else and leave that aside.



*p equals rho g h

No it's not stupid why waste space on campus for classes that have no reason to exist by themselves. The way I see is that this class could be brought back if a need for it was established in society. And to further not waste space or money they should only offer it during either the summer, online, or offer it as a seasonal class. But what I said wasn't stupid plus does it look like I care about fluid mechanics?