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Postby Scottish Socialists » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:57 am

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Scottish Socialists wrote:Almost as stupid as when frozen foods chain ICELAND in BRITAIN began telling businesses who used the name “ICELAND” IN ICELAND to stop.

Like, come on!
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Wrong. Completely wrong. The supermarket chain never did that. Iceland, the country, considered taking action to stop the supermarket from potentially doing that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... -over-name

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:57 am

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Indo-Malaysia wrote:Sorry, the word H*ward is trademarked. I will ask you to cease and desist all usage of the h-word.

This is a violation of my freedom of worship

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:58 am

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The South Falls wrote:I'm suing you, because Banana Republic used one of your words.

I'd find it more credible if Interplay Productions or Bethesda Softworks tried to sue me for using it. ;)

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:This is a violation of my freedom of worship

Sorry, w*rship is trademarked by the C*tholic Ch*rch. As is Cr*sade, D*us V*lt, and Exc*mmunication.

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Postby Scottish Socialists » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:00 am

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The New California Republic wrote:I'd find it more credible if Interplay Productions or Bethesda Softworks tried to sue me for using it. ;)

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Scottish Socialists wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Fuuuuuccccckkkkk I haven't played fallout in so long.

Exc*se m* s*r, Bet***da ar* s*ing y*u f*r s*ying “*******”

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Scottish Socialists wrote:Exc*se m* s*r, Bet***da ar* s*ing y*u f*r s*ying “*******”

Fus Ro Dah?

Th*t too.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:26 am

Reminder that when TSR had the Indiana Jones RPG they slapped (TM) on their cardboard representations of generic Nazis. Not specific characters created by Lucasfilm, mind you.

This should be thrown out. It's like saying people can't say, "Good morning" any more because there's a show called Good Morning America.

Also, I am sure that many of the businesses he's trying to sue were in business for years before him. That should show how frivolous this is.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:41 am

I don't know how Amerian copy right law works, but in the Low Countries, you can only protect your copyright in your sphere of influence. So, I would say, Hawaii and Ancorage are outside of their sphere, so they should shut up. I think the Ancorage one overreacted to a scary-sounding legal letter, though.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:42 am

The Vine and Fig Tree wrote:Trademarks and patents shouldn't exist in the first place.

This is somehow even dumber than what the thread is about. Nice.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:49 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:I don't know how Amerian copy right law works, but in the Low Countries, you can only protect your copyright in your sphere of influence. So, I would say, Hawaii and Ancorage are outside of their sphere, so they should shut up. I think the Ancorage one overreacted to a scary-sounding legal letter, though.

Copyr8ght covers the entire country, Hawaii and Alaska are part of it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:51 am

Katganistan wrote:Reminder that when TSR had the Indiana Jones RPG they slapped (TM) on their cardboard representations of generic Nazis. Not specific characters created by Lucasfilm, mind you.

This should be thrown out. It's like saying people can't say, "Good morning" any more because there's a show called Good Morning America.

Also, I am sure that many of the businesses he's trying to sue were in business for years before him. That should show how frivolous this is.


It's more like you can't have a show called "good morning america" for just a local market in the states.

Edit: And yes prior usage should be used against the Chicago folks.
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Postby Newmanistan » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:56 am

Where are Hawaiians being told they can't use Aloha?

Hawaiian business are being told they can't use the phrase "Aloha Poke" in regards to restaurants, catering, and takeout.

And that's all. Do people only read the titles of things?
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Postby Rusthenia » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:02 am

Newmanistan wrote:Where are Hawaiians being told they can't use Aloha?

Hawaiian business are being told they can't use the phrase "Aloha Poke" in regards to restaurants, catering, and takeout.

And that's all. Do people only read the titles of things?


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Postby The Multiverse of Holly Starlight » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:44 am

They technically stop allowing the Hawaiians to stop using the word, actually.

The non-natives open a restaurant, called it Aloha Poke, THEN doubled down and asked that other stores, including the ones owned by Hawaiians, to stop using it.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:46 am

It doesn't seem especially likely that people will confuse Aloha Poke restaurant in Chicago with Aloha Poke restaurant in Anchorage or with Aloha Poke restaurant in Honolulu.

Maybe if one of these companies establishes themselves as a nationwide franchise there'd be a problem.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:55 am

The Multiverse of Holly Starlight wrote:They technically stop allowing the Hawaiians to stop using the word, actually.

The non-natives open a restaurant, called it Aloha Poke, THEN doubled down and asked that other stores, including the ones owned by Hawaiians, to stop using it.


That's not it at all. No one is being asked not to say aloha or poke.

What is being objected too is using the phrase "aloha poke" as the name or part of the name of a place that serves poke bowls.

That is what trademark does. It's the exact same as saying you can not open a department store called "target", because that name is trademarked and using it would confuse the public between your store and the dept. Store chain based in Minnesota.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:59 am

Katganistan wrote:Reminder that when TSR had the Indiana Jones RPG they slapped (TM) on their cardboard representations of generic Nazis. Not specific characters created by Lucasfilm, mind you.

This should be thrown out. It's like saying people can't say, "Good morning" any more because there's a show called Good Morning America.

Also, I am sure that many of the businesses he's trying to sue were in business for years before him. That should show how frivolous this is.

Here's hoping for significant punitive damages.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:04 am

Ifreann wrote:It doesn't seem especially likely that people will confuse Aloha Poke restaurant in Chicago with Aloha Poke restaurant in Anchorage or with Aloha Poke restaurant in Honolulu.

Maybe if one of these companies establishes themselves as a nationwide franchise there'd be a problem.

Or if aloha poke goes nationwide. US copyright is national, not regional.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:04 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Multiverse of Holly Starlight wrote:They technically stop allowing the Hawaiians to stop using the word, actually.

The non-natives open a restaurant, called it Aloha Poke, THEN doubled down and asked that other stores, including the ones owned by Hawaiians, to stop using it.


That's not it at all. No one is being asked not to say aloha or poke.

What is being objected too is using the phrase "aloha poke" as the name or part of the name of a place that serves poke bowls.

That is what trademark does. It's the exact same as saying you can not open a department store called "target", because that name is trademarked and using it would confuse the public between your store and the dept. Store chain based in Minnesota.

I long ago concluded that most people deliberately refuse to understand what trademarks actually are, because that way it's easier for them to roll around the internet going "not allowed to be king because burger king ololololo"
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Ethel mermania wrote:
The Multiverse of Holly Starlight wrote:They technically stop allowing the Hawaiians to stop using the word, actually.

The non-natives open a restaurant, called it Aloha Poke, THEN doubled down and asked that other stores, including the ones owned by Hawaiians, to stop using it.


That's not it at all. No one is being asked not to say aloha or poke.

What is being objected too is using the phrase "aloha poke" as the name or part of the name of a place that serves poke bowls.

That is what trademark does. It's the exact same as saying you can not open a department store called "target", because that name is trademarked and using it would confuse the public between your store and the dept. Store chain based in Minnesota.


Ahh, gotcha. I stand corrected, then.

Then all of this seems like a rational attempt to stop other "Aloha Pokes" from popping up. With that said, a restaurant named Aloha Cafe or Aloha Grounds should still be allowed.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:06 am

The Multiverse of Holly Starlight wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
That's not it at all. No one is being asked not to say aloha or poke.

What is being objected too is using the phrase "aloha poke" as the name or part of the name of a place that serves poke bowls.

That is what trademark does. It's the exact same as saying you can not open a department store called "target", because that name is trademarked and using it would confuse the public between your store and the dept. Store chain based in Minnesota.


Ahh, gotcha. I stand corrected, then.

Then all of this seems like a rational attempt to stop other "Aloha Pokes" from popping up. With that said, a restaurant named Aloha Cafe or Aloha Grounds should still be allowed.


Those would be allowed.

Now I 5hink the other restaurants have a prior use claim against the Chicago firm, and should (if willing to spend the money) be able to get the trademark overturned.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:15 am

Katganistan wrote:Reminder that when TSR had the Indiana Jones RPG they slapped (TM) on their cardboard representations of generic Nazis. Not specific characters created by Lucasfilm, mind you.

That was an urban myth gone wild. As per Sean K. Reynolds.
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Postby Baalkistann » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:18 am

What's next? Are they gonna trademark the Happy Birthday Song? Oh wait...
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