[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Saiwania the Slaver... it has a certain ring to it.

[Kernen]

I'm most impressed by the commander in Handmaid's Tale. He sees women not as whole people but as their function in relation to him. To maximize efficiency, multiple women are used to get what he needs from the female gender.

Yes! This is exactly the outlook I want to adopt. It makes far more sense from my perspective, to focus on the utility someone else has to you than to care about every aspect of somebody else. I don't see it as a bad thing at all.

Why not separate women into different categories and reduce them to their functions? I'm sure women do the exact same thing with regards to men, they arguably should if they don't already. If that happens behind the scenes, I don't think I mind it at all.

Of course people will put other people in their life into different categories and treat them accordingly.

What is wrong with you? You cant treat people like people?

[Saiwania]

Saiwania the Slaver... it has a certain ring to it.

The dystopia that story presents, is mostly a bunch of ultra Feminist nonsense. But the relationship dynamics between characters, that is more realistic and potentially interesting. Its true that people do like to put other people into different "boxes" and etc. depending on their utility. Few people you meet, are really going to give a damn about all of your hopes and dreams and etc. What matters is how useful you are to certain people, and if you'll keep being of value in different ways.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Chattel slavery in the Atlantic world was bad and you should feel bad for entertaining the idea of bringing it back for the lolz.
Also this is a huge fucking threadjack so you should feel bad for that too.

[Saiwania]

Chattel slavery in the Atlantic world was bad and you should feel bad for entertaining the idea of bringing it back for the lolz. Also this is a huge fucking threadjack so you should feel bad for that too.

Does the novel I reference and am analyzing, not complain about some "big bad, evil conservative regime" that bans abortion? It'd be more simplistic to conclude that the entire work can be condensed into "abortion good, anti-choice bad." But a lot of people would perhaps reach that conclusion after reading even some of it.

Like I said, the chattel slavery it posits is made up BS. It might be allegory instead.

Besides, society has never been completely free in that it isn't true that people can always do what they want in every stage of their life. To a large extent, you're limited by how much your income is, how much wealth you've accrued, or what your skills are. You're not allowed to just try out or switch to any career you want to for example- there will of course be obstacles in the way, you're only allowed to move to similar jobs as what your resume or education qualifies you for.

Even being able to do something, doesn't do you any good if people who're above you in rank or influence- don't believe in your potential or skills.

[Napkizemlja]

I'm most impressed by the commander in Handmaid's Tale. He sees women not as whole people but as their function in relation to him. To maximize efficiency, multiple women are used to get what he needs from the female gender.

Yes! This is exactly the outlook I want to adopt. It makes far more sense from my perspective, to focus on the utility someone else has to you than to care about every aspect of somebody else. I don't see it as a bad thing at all.

Why not separate women into different categories and reduce them to their functions? I'm sure women do the exact same thing with regards to men, they arguably should if they don't already. If that happens behind the scenes, I don't think I mind it at all.

Of course people will put other people in their life into different categories and treat them accordingly.

LMFAO, and ya punk ass wonders why you're single.

[Farnhamia]

Chattel slavery in the Atlantic world was bad and you should feel bad for entertaining the idea of bringing it back for the lolz. Also this is a huge fucking threadjack so you should feel bad for that too.

Does the novel I reference and am analyzing, not complain about some "big bad, evil conservative regime" that bans abortion? It'd be more simplistic to conclude that the entire work can be condensed into "abortion good, anti-choice bad." But a lot of people would perhaps reach that conclusion after reading even some of it.

Like I said, the chattel slavery it posits is made up BS. It might be allegory instead.

Besides, society has never been completely free in that it isn't true that people can always do what they want in every stage of their life. To a large extent, you're limited by how much your income is, how much wealth you've accrued, or what your skills are. You're not allowed to just try out or switch to any career you want to for example- there will of course be obstacles in the way, you're only allowed to move to similar jobs as what your resume or education qualifies you for.

Even being able to do something, doesn't do you any good if people who're above you in rank or influence- don't believe in your potential or skills.

If you want to undertake an analysis of The Handmaid's Tale, do it in a separate thread. You've made some sort of point about abortion with it, point made, drop it. Continued "analysis" will be regarded as hijacking the thread. I'm being nice because today, September 21st, is the anniversary of the publication of The Hobbit in 1937.

[Farnhamia]

I'm most impressed by the commander in Handmaid's Tale. He sees women not as whole people but as their function in relation to him. To maximize efficiency, multiple women are used to get what he needs from the female gender.

Yes! This is exactly the outlook I want to adopt. It makes far more sense from my perspective, to focus on the utility someone else has to you than to care about every aspect of somebody else. I don't see it as a bad thing at all.

Why not separate women into different categories and reduce them to their functions? I'm sure women do the exact same thing with regards to men, they arguably should if they don't already. If that happens behind the scenes, I don't think I mind it at all.

Of course people will put other people in their life into different categories and treat them accordingly.

LMFAO, and ya punk ass wonders why you're single.

I would advise yez to knock it off with the personal remarks.

[Luminesa]

Does the novel I reference and am analyzing, not complain about some "big bad, evil conservative regime" that bans abortion? It'd be more simplistic to conclude that the entire work can be condensed into "abortion good, anti-choice bad." But a lot of people would perhaps reach that conclusion after reading even some of it.

Like I said, the chattel slavery it posits is made up BS. It might be allegory instead.

Besides, society has never been completely free in that it isn't true that people can always do what they want in every stage of their life. To a large extent, you're limited by how much your income is, how much wealth you've accrued, or what your skills are. You're not allowed to just try out or switch to any career you want to for example- there will of course be obstacles in the way, you're only allowed to move to similar jobs as what your resume or education qualifies you for.

Even being able to do something, doesn't do you any good if people who're above you in rank or influence- don't believe in your potential or skills.

If you want to undertake an analysis of The Handmaid's Tale, do it in a separate thread. You've made some sort of point about abortion with it, point made, drop it. Continued "analysis" will be regarded as hijacking the thread. I'm being nice because today, September 21st, is the anniversary of the publication of The Hobbit in 1937.

A vastly superior book anyway.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

People should treat STDs, but not on the NHS.

You just made the STD rate explode. Well done.

I'm a bit confused as to how people are supposed to treat STDs without medical care, myself.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You just made the STD rate explode. Well done. :clap:

:roll:

I'm a bit confused as to how people are supposed to treat STDs without medical care, myself.

Witch doctors obvs.

[The Free Joy State]

You just made the STD rate explode. Well done.

I'm a bit confused as to how people are supposed to treat STDs without medical care, myself.

The same way they're supposed to treat pregnancy... wait nine months until it passes by itself

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I'm a bit confused as to how people are supposed to treat STDs without medical care, myself.

The same way they're supposed to treat pregnancy... wait nine months until it passes by itself

I think we all wished that was how pregnancy worked.

[The Free Joy State]

The same way they're supposed to treat pregnancy... wait nine months until it passes by itself

I think we all wished that was how pregnancy worked.

Hence the joking expression...

[Hanafuridake]

If you want to undertake an analysis of The Handmaid's Tale, do it in a separate thread. You've made some sort of point about abortion with it, point made, drop it. Continued "analysis" will be regarded as hijacking the thread. I'm being nice because today, September 21st, is the anniversary of the publication of The Hobbit in 1937.

A vastly superior book anyway.

Personally I think a Tolkien thread would be vastly superior to this one as well but that's just me.

People should treat STDs, but not on the NHS.

You just made the STD rate explode. Well done.

I don't understand.

Healthcare exists to be used. If you don't use it for a serious disease, what do you use it for.

[Espenia]

As a woman, I feel this is a very private and personal matter. It's up to the woman, what she wants to do. No one else. I'm pro-choice for a reason. Now I'm not saying Hey! Go get an abortion every time, you get pregnant, there are times you gotta suck it up, then simply grow up! But (again) this is a private matter And it's no one else's business, what said woman does with her life...

[Wallenburg]

there are times you gotta suck it up, the simply grow up!

I mean, if that includes the option to abort the pregnancy, cool.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

As a woman, I feel this is a very private and personal matter. It's up to the woman, what she wants to do. No one else. I'm pro-choice for a reason. Now I'm not saying Hey! Go get an abortion every time, you get pregnant, there are times you gotta suck it up, then simply grow up! But (again) this is a private matter And it's no one else's business, what said woman does with her life...

There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.

[Espenia]

there are times you gotta suck it up, the simply grow up!

I mean, if that includes the option to abort the pregnancy, cool.

If a woman has a miscarriage, stillborn or if the pregnancy is due to rape or incest, then a woman has the right to choose to terminate. Or if it has nothing to do, with the causes I mentioned and she's simply not ready or doesn't want the child, then she has the right to terminate.

I'm simply saying; that if a women were kind of like Pennsatucky from Orange Is The New Black; a character whose had 5 abortions, then I feel that's a bit ridiculous.

Abortion is a very serious thing and shouldn't be used as a form of birth control by some indiviuals.

[Espenia]

As a woman, I feel this is a very private and personal matter. It's up to the woman, what she wants to do. No one else. I'm pro-choice for a reason. Now I'm not saying Hey! Go get an abortion every time, you get pregnant, there are times you gotta suck it up, then simply grow up! But (again) this is a private matter And it's no one else's business, what said woman does with her life...

There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.

You can read, what I wrote to Wallenberg. I know a pregnant woman doesn't have to "suck it up" but I'm referring to women, who use abortion as if it's some sort of birth control.

[Saiwania]

There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.

They do more or less, if they're in a situation where they can't manage to get an abortion before the child is born. Real life can be pretty harsh.

[New haven america]

I mean, if that includes the option to abort the pregnancy, cool.

If a woman has a miscarriage, stillborn or if the pregnancy is due to rape or incest, then a woman has the right to choose to terminate. Or if it has nothing to do, with the causes I mentioned and she's simply not ready or doesn't want the child, then she has the right to terminate.

I'm simply saying; that if a women were kind of like Pennsatucky from Orange Is The New Black; a character whose had 5 abortions, then I feel that's a bit ridiculous.

Abortion is a very serious thing and shouldn't be used as a form of birth control by some indiviuals.

A person who chooses to treat abortion as their go to form of birth control probably shouldn't be allowed to keep any kids they decide to keep around... Or they're in an abusive situation and need help.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.

You can read, what I wrote to Wallenberg. I know a pregnant woman doesn't have to "suck it up" but I'm referring to women, who use abortion as if it's some sort of birth control.

Seems to me there’d be easier ways to encourage keeping an unplanned pregnancy aside from telling other women to suck it up. More flies with sugar and all.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

There is literally not a single time where a pregnant person should "suck it up" and give birth when they don't want to.

You can read, what I wrote to Wallenberg. I know a pregnant woman doesn't have to "suck it up" but I'm referring to women, who use abortion as if it's some sort of birth control.

I don't honestly care how you think abortion should be used. At no point, whether it's the first abortion or the thirtieth, should any pregnant person be told that they should "suck it up" and give birth. If someone is having frequent abortions, that's indicative of a societal problem, not a personal failure.

[Espenia]

If a woman has a miscarriage, stillborn or if the pregnancy is due to rape or incest, then a woman has the right to choose to terminate. Or if it has nothing to do, with the causes I mentioned and she's simply not ready or doesn't want the child, then she has the right to terminate.

I'm simply saying; that if a women were kind of like Pennsatucky from Orange Is The New Black; a character whose had 5 abortions, then I feel that's a bit ridiculous.

Abortion is a very serious thing and shouldn't be used as a form of birth control by some indiviuals.

A person who chooses to treat abortion as their go to form of birth control probably shouldn't be allowed to keep any kids they decide to keep around... Or they're in an abusive situation and need help.

Agreed! And the foster care system, might not be friendly to the child either.