[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Gormwood]

Prohibition always becomes profitable for mobsters.

It's profitable, but they ain't trained or able to do anything.

They weren't certified distillers either and still made a killing. Besides which they'll likely recruit now unemployed abortion providers from red states that outlawed it completely.

[Galloism]

Prohibition always becomes profitable for mobsters.

It's profitable, but they ain't trained or able to do anything safely.

I mean, for the pill abortion, it's not that hard - it's basically drug smuggling and dosage instructions, all acquired in a state where it's legal.

There won't be follow up, so there might be a few extra deaths, but chemical abortion is very very safe all things considered. Even adding the extra risk from the black market isn't likely to make it more risky than the pregnancy.

[Katganistan]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

What the fuck happened to "the free market"?

[Gormwood]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

What the fuck happened to "the free market"?

Got in the way of the precious fetii.

[Katganistan]

That's all well and good of course, but one of the problems is that Georgia and Alabama are both quite some distance from California, and will require a significant amount of travel time and expense, which still leaves poor women pretty well hosed.

Besides, Georgia at least is making abortion touring a felony.

So basically, move the fuck out of Georgia. "Don't live there, it's not a felony where I live now, fuck you."

[The South Falls]

It's profitable, but they ain't trained or able to do anything.

They weren't certified distillers either and still made a killing. Besides which they'll likely recruit now unemployed abortion providers from red states that outlawed it completely.

I would hope they would, as opposed to giving out the coat hanger.

Besides, Georgia at least is making abortion touring a felony.

So basically, move the fuck out of Georgia. "Don't live there, it's not a felony where I live now, fuck you."

What about those who are stuck due to financial circumstances? Airlift abortions?

[Katganistan]

They weren't certified distillers either and still made a killing. Besides which they'll likely recruit now unemployed abortion providers from red states that outlawed it completely.

I would hope they would, as opposed to giving out the coat hanger.

So basically, move the fuck out of Georgia. "Don't live there, it's not a felony where I live now, fuck you."

What about those who are stuck due to financial circumstances? Airlift abortions?

It sucks ass, and maybe people can crowdfund their moves. But if I lived somewhere that oppressive I might just decide that sending out resumes for jobs in other states -- or just going -- might be the only choice I have.

[The Free Joy State]

I would hope they would, as opposed to giving out the coat hanger.

What about those who are stuck due to financial circumstances? Airlift abortions?

It sucks ass, and maybe people can crowdfund their moves. But if I lived somewhere that oppressive I might just decide that sending out resumes for jobs in other states -- or just going -- might be the only choice I have.

^ This.

Of course, the problem with the crowdfunding thing is that -- with the way legislation's going in Georgia -- soon it will probably be a felony to provide financial assistance to a woman to go somewhere where she may one day have an abortion. Gotta save that poor potential, after all...

I half kid, but I really wouldn't be overly shocked.

[The New California Republic]

Of course, the problem with the crowdfunding thing is that -- with the way legislation's going in Georgia -- soon it will probably be a felony to provide financial assistance to a woman to go somewhere where she may one day have an abortion.

I have no doubt that there will be some very draconian measures enacted in some states when it becomes apparent that there are still ways and means for women in said states to obtain an abortion elsewhere.

[Wallenburg]

Gov. Newsom Welcomes Women Seeking An Abortion To Come To California

Looks like Newsom is encouraging a future abortion tourism industry in California in case the red states succeed in getting Roe overturned.

"Abortion tourism" is entirely infeasible for anyone who would need it.

[The Free Joy State]

Gov. Newsom Welcomes Women Seeking An Abortion To Come To California

Looks like Newsom is encouraging a future abortion tourism industry in California in case the red states succeed in getting Roe overturned.

"Abortion tourism" is entirely infeasible for anyone who would need it.

True. Around 54% of US women said raising money for an abortion already delays treatment.

Better women just plan to leave the state, if these measures are enacted. There would be costs either way, and -- if the woman's not already pregnant -- at least she's not running down the clock, saving money while she can still get an abortion.

Why am I starting to imagine images from the series version of The Handmaid's Tale?

[Liriena]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

What the fuck happened to "the free market"?

Well, you see there's the free market and the free market

[New haven america]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

What the fuck happened to "the free market"?

The free market is doing things they don't agree with.

[The Black Forrest]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

What the fuck happened to "the free market"?

It's fine. Lou Dobbs is a failure who has no meaning anymore. Ok ti boycott Disney and NetFlix. People like to say "I will never go or watch *whatever* again" People with children? The Disney boycott will be short lived. People like their TV too much so again the NetFlix boycott will be short lived.

Those who actually do it? Probably weren't customers in the first place or won't even be noticed by either companies.

I "boycott" Chick-Fil-A. Do they care? Not really....

[Kernen]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

From what I watched, he argued that the companies would violate fiduciary duties to shareholders if they do this, not that corporations cannot act on sincerely held beliefs.

Which is true. A corporate board that takes political action to the detriment of it's shareholder's profits are violating the fiduciary duty that corporations owe to shareholders. Its absolutely possible that the shareholders will affirm this action, avoiding liability. But it isn't a guarantee.

Corporations have speech rights, but only to the extent that it does not interfere with fiduciary duties.

[Katganistan]

What the fuck happened to "the free market"?

It's fine. Lou Dobbs is a failure who has no meaning anymore. Ok ti boycott Disney and NetFlix. People like to say "I will never go or watch *whatever* again" People with children? The Disney boycott will be short lived. People like their TV too much so again the NetFlix boycott will be short lived.

Those who actually do it? Probably weren't customers in the first place or won't even be noticed by either companies.

I "boycott" Chick-Fil-A. Do they care? Not really....

They can't really boycott Disney. Disney owns half the world.

[Jebslund]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

From what I watched, he argued that the companies would violate fiduciary duties to shareholders if they do this, not that corporations cannot act on sincerely held beliefs.

Which is true. A corporate board that takes political action to the detriment of it's shareholder's profits are violating the fiduciary duty that corporations owe to shareholders. Its absolutely possible that the shareholders will affirm this action, avoiding liability. But it isn't a guarantee.

Corporations have speech rights, but only to the extent that it does not interfere with fiduciary duties.

Funny how corporations seem to only have those duties when it suits the GOP...

[Vassenor]

Lou Dobbs threatens Disney and Netflix with "retaliation from the other side .. and it will escalate to the disadvantage and destruction of all" over their threats to leave Georgia

Remember, the "sincerely held beliefs" of corporations only matter when those beliefs toe the GOP line.

From what I watched, he argued that the companies would violate fiduciary duties to shareholders if they do this, not that corporations cannot act on sincerely held beliefs.

Which is true. A corporate board that takes political action to the detriment of it's shareholder's profits are violating the fiduciary duty that corporations owe to shareholders. Its absolutely possible that the shareholders will affirm this action, avoiding liability. But it isn't a guarantee.

Corporations have speech rights, but only to the extent that it does not interfere with fiduciary duties.

You're only allowed to have beliefs as long as it does not hurt the Allmighty Dollar.

So much for the Free Market.

[Kernen]

From what I watched, he argued that the companies would violate fiduciary duties to shareholders if they do this, not that corporations cannot act on sincerely held beliefs.

Which is true. A corporate board that takes political action to the detriment of it's shareholder's profits are violating the fiduciary duty that corporations owe to shareholders. Its absolutely possible that the shareholders will affirm this action, avoiding liability. But it isn't a guarantee.

Corporations have speech rights, but only to the extent that it does not interfere with fiduciary duties.

You're only allowed to have beliefs as long as it does not hurt the Allmighty Dollar.

So much for the Free Market.

That's a gross characterization of how it works. The individuals are all able to have that right, but the right of corporations to act is always, always constrained by their fiduciary duties and their corporate charter. If it was a nonprofit with the express goal of pursuing an agenda, the fiduciary duties of shareholders would be met by engaging in that kind of speech. When the entity is a for-profit corporation designed to maximize shareholder equity, that isn't necessarily the case.

I don't get why this is so offensive to you. This cuts both ways. McDonalds couldn't start pushing a hard-line conservative position if it harmed their shareholder equity either. You can, in fact, contract around fundamental rights.

[Kernen]

You're only allowed to have beliefs as long as it does not hurt the Allmighty Dollar.

So much for the Free Market.

That's a gross characterization of how it works. The individuals are all able to have that right, but the right of corporations to act is always, always constrained by their fiduciary duties and their corporate charter. If it was a nonprofit with the express goal of pursuing an agenda, the fiduciary duties of shareholders would be met by engaging in that kind of speech. When the entity is a for-profit corporation designed to maximize shareholder equity, that isn't necessarily the case.

I don't get why this is so offensive to you. This cuts both ways. McDonalds couldn't start pushing a hard-line conservative position if it harmed their shareholder equity either. You can, in fact, contract around fundamental rights.

From what I watched, he argued that the companies would violate fiduciary duties to shareholders if they do this, not that corporations cannot act on sincerely held beliefs.

Which is true. A corporate board that takes political action to the detriment of it's shareholder's profits are violating the fiduciary duty that corporations owe to shareholders. Its absolutely possible that the shareholders will affirm this action, avoiding liability. But it isn't a guarantee.

Corporations have speech rights, but only to the extent that it does not interfere with fiduciary duties.

Funny how corporations seem to only have those duties when it suits the GOP...

Bro, that is definitely not how it works, thats just a function of media coverage. 99.999% of conflicts between political activism and fiduciary duties make terrible news stories.

[The Black Forrest]

That's a gross characterization of how it works. The individuals are all able to have that right, but the right of corporations to act is always, always constrained by their fiduciary duties and their corporate charter. If it was a nonprofit with the express goal of pursuing an agenda, the fiduciary duties of shareholders would be met by engaging in that kind of speech. When the entity is a for-profit corporation designed to maximize shareholder equity, that isn't necessarily the case.

I don't get why this is so offensive to you. This cuts both ways. McDonalds couldn't start pushing a hard-line conservative position if it harmed their shareholder equity either. You can, in fact, contract around fundamental rights.

Funny how corporations seem to only have those duties when it suits the GOP...

Bro, that is definitely not how it works, thats just a function of media coverage. 99.999% of conflicts between political activism and fiduciary duties make terrible news stories.

Hmmmmmm. The demos aren't exactly Free Market uber alles.

[Kannap]

Governor Cooper vetoed NC's version of the abortion ban trend, and the House didn't have the votes required to override his veto.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Governor Cooper vetoed NC's version of the abortion ban trend, and the House didn't have the votes required to override his veto.

One small victory against the trend of importing Saudi Arab policies against women.

[Grapasia]

Governor Cooper vetoed NC's version of the abortion ban trend, and the House didn't have the votes required to override his veto.

alexa play hoes mad

[The New California Republic]

Governor Cooper vetoed NC's version of the abortion ban trend, and the House didn't have the votes required to override his veto.

alexa play hoes mad

...what?