[Abortion Thread] (YET ANOTHER POLL!) Taking measure.

[Bombadil]

Rest assured you're committing assault either way and rest whoever is hit by you will be calling the police and pressing charges. That doesn't rely on gender, not sorry to inform you.

The charge will be worse if its done on a woman compared to a man. Little girl gets abducted gets more coverage than a boy who got abducted. Heck most people have no idea how many little boys got raped in history but only know about the girls hence there is no gender equality. Many boys in Iraq are being raped by ISIS members yet we hear about the girls because people care about girls more duh.

Yes well, the societal idea that women need to be protected is what results in that skew of coverage, much as it results in the idea that men can make decisions for them thus abortion, or that women are sluts whereas men are studs for the same reason.

No one really wins from gender inequality.

[Kannap]

Rest assured you're committing assault either way and rest whoever is hit by you will be calling the police and pressing charges. That doesn't rely on gender, not sorry to inform you.

The charge will be worse if its done on a woman compared to a man.

Wrong

Little girl gets abducted gets more coverage than a boy who got abducted.

Wrong

Heck most people have no idea how many little boys got raped in history but only know about the girls hence there is no gender equality.

Get me some 100% spot on statistics on exactly how many women in history have been raped. I'll wait.

[Highever]

Oh we most certainly are arguing for equality, namely that you do not get a say in my own medical decisions and what I do with my body, and I don't get a say in yours. Since a males body is not the one being pregnant, only the one physically affected by the pregnancy gets to decide what medical decisions she wants to make with her own body. The thing you are advocating is explicitly not equal.

If men get no say how is it GENDER equality just admit its all about women's views and quit the equality smokescreen. Alot of people are getting confused I dont advocate for men having the final say in abortions but Im just showing you gender equality doesnt exist in America.

You absolutely are. You are saying if a man wants a woman to carry to term that she must do so end of story.

[Kannap]

Oh we most certainly are arguing for equality, namely that you do not get a say in my own medical decisions and what I do with my body, and I don't get a say in yours. Since a males body is not the one being pregnant, only the one physically affected by the pregnancy gets to decide what medical decisions she wants to make with her own body. The thing you are advocating is explicitly not equal.

If men get no say how is it GENDER equality just admit its all about women's views and quit the equality smokescreen. Alot of people are getting confused I dont advocate for men having the final say in abortions but Im just showing you gender equality doesnt exist in America.

Women have a right to decide their medical procedures similar to how men have a right to decide their medical procedures.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Tell you what. From now on, since you’re all about equality, and want to have a say in what goes in my body, I’ll fully make medical decisions for you. I’m going to supply your kidneys, bone marrow and cornea to people in need of transplants.

As you can see true equality is not what you advocate for yet women insist its getting in the way of women's equality if abortion were to be banned.

Which is true. Banning abortion would take away a woman’s most fundamental rights. The abortion has no direct affect on the body of the man. The man has no standing whatsoever by which to dictate what a woman can do with her own body.

Men have no say in abortion women have no abortion therefore its actually equality because neither sex can cause abortions.

This argument right here... I don’t know whether to laugh at it or shake my head in disappointment.

The irony is women dont seem to realize this or maybe they just dont care about actual equality and its just a word they use to guilt men into handing over privileges to them or something.

Your misogyny is showing. Also narcissism.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don’t think you know what the meaning of equality is either. But since you refer to women as incubators, I’m not really surprised.

A man cant prevent women from having abortions just by saying so, this is a wretched misogynistic world that is being advocated for

Totes.

[Akrisen]

If men get no say how is it GENDER equality just admit its all about women's views and quit the equality smokescreen. Alot of people are getting confused I dont advocate for men having the final say in abortions but Im just showing you gender equality doesnt exist in America.

You absolutely are. You are saying if a man wants a woman to carry to term that she must do so end of story.

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

[Highever]

You absolutely are. You are saying if a man wants a woman to carry to term that she must do so end of story.

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

Except the part where a woman getting an abortion relies entirely on the man's agreement.

[Akrisen]

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

Except the part where a woman getting an abortion relies entirely on the man's agreement.

Omg what part of equality cant you not understand? There is no superior view meaning action only happens if both parents agree on it. There are dads who wanted to abort their kid but mom didnt and so under equality the abortion doesnt happen, but if mom wants the kid gone and dad doesnt it still happens hence no equality.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You absolutely are. You are saying if a man wants a woman to carry to term that she must do so end of story.

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

But you have been saying that all along. That the abortion can only happen if the man agrees. If he doesn’t then she can’t go through with it. And we’re telling you why that’s a shit view.

[The Free Joy State]

You absolutely are. You are saying if a man wants a woman to carry to term that she must do so end of story.

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother is dying?
Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother could die?
Why should the rapist father have to agree to the woman, his victim, having an abortion?
Why should any adult have any say over another adult's bodily autonomy?

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

You absolutely are. You are saying if a man wants a woman to carry to term that she must do so end of story.

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

Aaaaaaaaaand again, if you’re all tore up about a woman having unilateral authority to terminate the pregnancy that she is personally carrying, might I suggest you think up and advocate for an analogous option for men... mayhap a legal form of ceding any relevant child-rearing responsibilities.

That seems far more realistic... and equal.

[Akrisen]

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother is dying?
Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother could die?
Why should the rapist father have to agree to the woman, his victim, having an abortion?
Why should any adult have any say over another adult's bodily autonomy?

Because gender equality thats why no gender's view on the baby's life is superior so only when both agree does the abortion happen. Equality doesnt care about feelings only outcomes.

[Neutraligon]

Oh we most certainly are arguing for equality, namely that you do not get a say in my own medical decisions and what I do with my body, and I don't get a say in yours. Since a males body is not the one being pregnant, only the one physically affected by the pregnancy gets to decide what medical decisions she wants to make with her own body. The thing you are advocating is explicitly not equal.

If men get no say how is it GENDER equality just admit its all about women's views and quit the equality smokescreen. Alot of people are getting confused I dont advocate for men having the final say in abortions but Im just showing you gender equality doesnt exist in America.

Yes it is, for exactly the reason I gave, namely that each gender gets to decide what they do with their own bodies and gets to make medical decisions for themselves.

[Highever]

Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother is dying?
Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother could die?
Why should the rapist father have to agree to the woman, his victim, having an abortion?
Why should any adult have any say over another adult's bodily autonomy?

Because gender equality thats why no gender's view on the baby's life is superior so only when both agree does the abortion happen. Equality doesnt care about feelings only outcomes.

Again, it's the womans body. Why the fuck does a man have any say in the decision?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother is dying?
Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother could die?
Why should the rapist father have to agree to the woman, his victim, having an abortion?
Why should any adult have any say over another adult's bodily autonomy?

Because gender equality thats why no gender's view on the baby's life is superior so only when both agree does the abortion happen. Equality doesnt care about feelings only outcomes.

Oh, that’s even cuter. The fetus decides.

[Akrisen]

No under equality the abortion only happens if mom and dad agree to it, it doesnt happen if:
mom agree dad disagrees
dad agrees mom disagrees

Never once did I imply that male view is higher than women how ridiculous.

Aaaaaaaaaand again, if you’re all tore up about a woman having unilateral authority to terminate the pregnancy that she is personally carrying, might I suggest you think up and advocate for an analogous option for men... mayhap a legal form of ceding any relevant child-rearing responsibilities.

That seems far more realistic... and equal.

Do realise any advantage you give to women you must give to men under a gender equal system. If men cant child rear women cant child rear simple as that. If men cant dance in a courtroom, women also cant dance in a courtroom.

[Neutraligon]

Aaaaaaaaaand again, if you’re all tore up about a woman having unilateral authority to terminate the pregnancy that she is personally carrying, might I suggest you think up and advocate for an analogous option for men... mayhap a legal form of ceding any relevant child-rearing responsibilities.

That seems far more realistic... and equal.

Do realise any advantage you give to women you must give to men under a gender equal system. If men cant child rear women cant child rear simple as that. If men cant dance in a courtroom, women also cant dance in a courtroom.

We are, namely that men get to make their own medical decisions.

[Akrisen]

Because gender equality thats why no gender's view on the baby's life is superior so only when both agree does the abortion happen. Equality doesnt care about feelings only outcomes.

Again, it's the womans body. Why the fuck does a man have any say in the decision?

Again this is a threat to woman's equality oh wait what equality thats what my post as about showing there is no equality so stop calling this an issue of equality. Be honest and just say WOMEN' RIGHTS instead.

[Neutraligon]

Again, it's the womans body. Why the fuck does a man have any say in the decision?

Again this is a threat to woman's equality oh wait what equality thats what my post as about showing there is no equality so stop calling this an issue of equality. Be honest and just say WOMEN' RIGHTS instead.

Except there is equality in that both men and women get to make their own medical decisions and get to decide what to do with their own bodies.

[Akrisen]

Do realise any advantage you give to women you must give to men under a gender equal system. If men cant child rear women cant child rear simple as that. If men cant dance in a courtroom, women also cant dance in a courtroom.

We are, namely that men get to make their own medical decisions.

In abortion the answer to that is no as mom deciding to kill the embryo is more important than daddy wanting to keep it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

We are, namely that men get to make their own medical decisions.

In abortion the answer to that is no as mom deciding to kill the embryo is more important than daddy wanting to keep it.

Appeals to emotion 101. This is an issue of a person having a right to make medical decisions over their bodies.

[Neutraligon]

We are, namely that men get to make their own medical decisions.

In abortion the answer to that is no as mom deciding to kill the embryo is more important than daddy wanting to keep it.

Incorrect, the answer is yes, because the woman is deciding what to do with her own body, same as a man gets to decide what he does with his own body. Equally the woman is making her own medical decisions for herself, same as a man gets to decide to make his own medical decisions for himself. What you are suggesting, by allowing men to make medical decisions for women is inequality because women are not given the same right to make medical decisions for men, nor is she given the right to control a man's body.

[Akrisen]

Again this is a threat to woman's equality oh wait what equality thats what my post as about showing there is no equality so stop calling this an issue of equality. Be honest and just say WOMEN' RIGHTS instead.

Except there is equality in that both men and women get to make their own medical decisions and get to decide what to do with their own bodies.

Yet under equality it doesnt matter what women think or what men think only what they both think and agree with at the same time therefore there is no equality it is an issue of women's rights. If men say we want cupcakes and girls say we want ice cream nothing happens until one of them agrees with the other's idea because thats actual equality. Under our system what the girl says happens because they are more important socially.

[The Free Joy State]

Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother is dying?
Why should the father have to agree to the woman having an abortion if the mother could die?
Why should the rapist father have to agree to the woman, his victim, having an abortion?
Why should any adult have any say over another adult's bodily autonomy?

Because gender equality thats why no gender's view on the baby's life is superior so only when both agree does the abortion happen. Equality doesnt care about feelings only outcomes.

No, no. That's not gender equality.

That is one party being able to control another party's body. That is a rapist having unfettered rights to the body of his victim or a man being able to tell the woman he impregnated (and -- unlike carrying the pregnancy for 40 weeks at the risk to health and giving birth -- providing sperm is not major role in the pregnancy): "Go die. I don't care."

We don't allow people to usurp the medical bodily autonomy of any competent adult, for an outside person (which the father is) to permit or deny them medical care (which an abortion is) based on their selfish wishes. We allow people the bodily autonomy to decide on their own medical care.

Or, can I forbid you to have life-saving transplant surgery -- if I feel like it? Because everyone's bodily sovereignty belongs to everyone else... apparently.

Now, if you were arguing that a man should be able to get a paper abortion (relinquishing parental rights), that would be more equal. Wrong thread probably, but more equal.