I'll concede that, any pregnancy that might end a mother's life -that is permissible.
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by Hrythingia » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:25 pm
by The New California Republic » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm
Hrythingia wrote:Abortion is only permissible if the mother's life can be expected to be lost with the delivery. Anything else is murder.
by Ghost Land » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm
Katganistan wrote:Indo-Malaysia wrote:So because you do not want the baby, it is okay to kill it at any given time, yes?
Clearly not. Go read the rest of the thread rather than make the same lame arguments others have made. Go, before you make some crack about drowning a kid after birth (which by the way is murder: infanticide.)
by Indo-Malaysia » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm
by The Caleshan Valkyrie » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:27 pm
Indo-Malaysia wrote:The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Or you could maybe develop some empathy on the matter. I suggest making room in your self-righteous indignation.
A woman’s body being violated is no laughing matter. It is not for the woman, and it should not be for you.
It's not my fault instead of wording it as something like '??? can abort because of ??? reasons', you written it like '??? can get rid of the baby out of self-defence'. It just sounds really exaggerated when you read it. It implies the baby is going out of its way to attack its host, which shouldnt be the case.
The women's body wasn't even mentioned. The whole post was about the way it was worded
Stop trying to pick a fight.
by Katganistan » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:27 pm
Telconi wrote:Katganistan wrote:Oh, I long for the day when science will make it possible for *men* to be able to carry a pregnancy to term. Because the day a fetus can be removed from a woman who doesn't want it, and implanted into the man who insists he has a right to his child being born -- I forsee this entire argument ending.
When it's no longer a matter of, "The woman deciding what life is worth!" and more, "Well, *I* don't want it either!" that's when this idiocy will end.
Why does it need to be a man?
by Genivaria » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:27 pm
New haven america wrote:Telconi wrote:
Who said that? I didn't.
Then why did you never mention it?
Also a list of health problem caused by pregnancy: Weight gain, mood swings, hormonal issues, nausea, soreness and swelling in the joints and breasts, and an overall decreased quality of life. After pregnancy you have: Lack of bladder control, postpartum depression, blood pressure problems, gestational diabetes, bone density issues, cancer, etc...
by The Caleshan Valkyrie » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:28 pm
by Napkiraly » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:28 pm
Katganistan wrote:Indo-Malaysia wrote:And what differentiates a more developed baby than a less developed baby? Why should one deserve no protection, and the other is granted such?
"Born"
"Not Born"
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong.... Can you tell which thing is not like the others by the time I finish my song?
by Katganistan » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:28 pm
by Genivaria » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:29 pm
Ghost Land wrote:Katganistan wrote:Clearly not. Go read the rest of the thread rather than make the same lame arguments others have made. Go, before you make some crack about drowning a kid after birth (which by the way is murder: infanticide.)
What exactly is the moral difference between infanticide and an abortion (at least very late term)? Does it solely come down to whether the fetus/baby has actually been born, and that being the one factor that magically determines whether it's acceptable or unacceptable to kill said fetus/baby?
Let's also, just for the record, count me in with the bunch of people who find abortion acceptable only in cases of endangerment to mother and/or child.
By the way, NSG really is a cesspool, isn't it?
What exactly is the moral difference between infanticide and an abortion (at least very late term)?
by The South Falls » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:30 pm
Napkiraly wrote:Katganistan wrote:
"Born"
"Not Born"
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong.... Can you tell which thing is not like the others by the time I finish my song?
So should a mother be allowed to terminate a pregnancy via abortion even if the fetus is fully developed and it's only a day away from the expected due date?
by Hrythingia » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:30 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Hrythingia wrote:Abortion is only permissible if the mother's life can be expected to be lost with the delivery. Anything else is murder.
Except that it isn't murder. And what if the fetus is going to die? Should she be forced to carry a doomed fetus to term, as in the tragic case of Savita Halappanavar, which ultimately resulted in her death?
by Jebslund » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:30 pm
by Telconi » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:30 pm
by The New California Republic » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:31 pm
Ghost Land wrote:What exactly is the moral difference between infanticide and an abortion (at least very late term)?
Ghost Land wrote:Does it solely come down to whether the fetus/baby has actually been born, and that being the one factor that magically determines whether it's acceptable or unacceptable to kill said fetus/baby?
by Katganistan » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:31 pm
Genivaria wrote:Indo-Malaysia wrote:So because I made a harmless joke on what I typically think of when I see the words 'self defence', I am a misogynist?
Funny story.
'Test tube babies' are a thing of that counts?
You mean babies that are conceived via in vitro fertilization?
That doesn't really settle the issue.
by Indo-Malaysia » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:31 pm
The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:Indo-Malaysia wrote:It's not my fault instead of wording it as something like '??? can abort because of ??? reasons', you written it like '??? can get rid of the baby out of self-defence'. It just sounds really exaggerated when you read it. It implies the baby is going out of its way to attack its host, which shouldnt be the case.
The women's body wasn't even mentioned. The whole post was about the way it was worded
Stop trying to pick a fight.
Welcome to NS General. If you can’t take the heat, forum 7 is just a couple spots down.
Here though, expect to get your ignorance and inanery called upon the carpet.
If you intend to stick around, do be so kind as to pay attention to what else I was saying to you rather than acting like some kind of fluffy victim-bunny.
by Telconi » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:31 pm
by Geneviev » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:32 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Ghost Land wrote:What exactly is the moral difference between infanticide and an abortion (at least very late term)?
There are extremely strict restrictions on late-term abortions. The main moral difference is that infanticide involves a person, while abortion does not.Ghost Land wrote:Does it solely come down to whether the fetus/baby has actually been born, and that being the one factor that magically determines whether it's acceptable or unacceptable to kill said fetus/baby?
I didn't realise that personhood was magic. TIL...
by The South Falls » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:33 pm
by The New California Republic » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:34 pm
Hrythingia wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Except that it isn't murder. And what if the fetus is going to die? Should she be forced to carry a doomed fetus to term, as in the tragic case of Savita Halappanavar, which ultimately resulted in her death?
It is murder. You are killing a child.
Hrythingia wrote: Scientists and Science agree that it is 'life'. Depriving someone of their life just 'cos' is murder.
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:34 pm
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