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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:04 am

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The Free Joy State wrote:I think we did that on the metal thread, didn't we? :p

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But this is way off-topic.

Cetacea wrote:Praise Him with tambourine and dancing; praise Him with the strings and flute. Praise Him with clashing cymbals; praise Him with resounding cymbals. (Book of Psalms)

It would appear that people who try to ban music have no love of God

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I've started a countdown: how long until someone -- probably someone who thinks that Chick Tracks are a good guide for life -- comes along and argues that the tambourine and clashing cymbals are metaphorical and you should be dancing in your heart not with your feet?
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Postby Nowa Francja » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:30 am

No, it should not. Here is why:

-Doing so infringes upon freedom of speech/expression. If we concede that these genres negatively impact people's intelligence, and that a ban is justified on those grounds, then would not, say, alcohol also be banned since it too is harmful to humans? If it's the government's job to keep us safe from harmful things like music, then I don't see why that couldn't be expanded to cover drugs, unhealthy diets, select films, games, and TV shows, etc.

-Legislation for such a ban would not be supported by the vast majority of the populace due to the aforementioned infringement on freedom. People will not wish to part from their beloved music even if such music harms them. Examine the prohibition of alcohol (which is far more harmful than music) within the United States and you will see precisely what I am referring to.

-It is impossible to prevent people from listening to these types of music. Think about the sheer number of people that have these songs on their digital devices, on DVDs, records, etc. Banning these sorts of music would be impossible to enforce. What will the government be able to do? Send police to every home to test every DVD a person owns to ensure it has no malicious music on it? Scan every computer, iPhone, iPod, etc.?

This idea strikes me as someone wanting to ban something simply because they do not like it. There is simply no practicality to enacting such legislation even if such music is actually harmful. I, for one, do not care if it is or is not harmful. That does not matter nearly as much as the preservation of freedom.

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:30 am

If you ban syncopation, I'll have to choose a lot of new songs to perform with. It makes music more interesting. As for the two and four beat, that absolutely is ridiculous. I listen to and play music that has an emphasis on the two and four beat and it isn't really an inversion of order. It's still orderly (if that's the word). One-and-TWO-and-three-and-FOUR. There's still order to that. It's still counting and rhythm that stays constant for most of the song. Also, the idea that melody is sacrificed for rhythm is ridiculous. With the exception of maybe rap/hip hop, there's always melody and it's often much more creative and good to listen to than this person seems to give it credit for.

So pretty much don't ban music that has an emphasis on the two and four beats and has a syncopated rhythm. It's a ridiculous idea and is based on a misunderstanding of that music. But if you personally don't want to listen to it, good for you. You're missing excellent music. Diverse music is one of the best things about music right now. Banning precisely the things that make music so diverse will make music, for lack of a better word, boring. If everything has the one and three beats and no syncopation and almost no rhythm, then it will start to all sound the same.

Anyways, I refuse to believe that this is from the Devil. Also, when I say choreography I mean dance. I dance and I play the Devil's music. Deal with it. Make a joyful noise unto the Lord.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:03 am

Jazz is one of the few good American inventions and I’ll be damned if some Christian fundies take that away from us.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:16 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:Jazz is one of the few good American inventions and I’ll be damned if some Christian fundies take that away from us.

You can pry my Cab Calloway records from my cold, dead hands, y’hear?!

So the eradication of jazz, something the Third Reich tried before, is now a task given to Christian fundamentalists by the one true wrathful God Himself?


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:18 am

No.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:32 am

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Arcturus Novus wrote:Jazz is one of the few good American inventions and I’ll be damned if some Christian fundies take that away from us.

You can pry my Cab Calloway records from my cold, dead hands, y’hear?!

So the eradication of jazz, something the Third Reich tried before, is now a task given to Christian fundamentalists by the one true wrathful God Himself?

Well, some Christian organizations of the 30s saw Hitler as Stalin's counterweight.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:43 am

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Hurdergaryp wrote:So the eradication of jazz, something the Third Reich tried before, is now a task given to Christian fundamentalists by the one true wrathful God Himself?

Well, some Christian organizations of the 30s saw Hitler as Stalin's counterweight.

Must have been because of the Balkenkreuz painted on the combat machines of the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS, which actually is based upon the cross of Christianity.


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:53 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:So the eradication of jazz, something the Third Reich tried before, is now a task given to Christian fundamentalists by the one true wrathful God Himself?

Well, some Christian organizations of the 30s saw Hitler as Stalin's counterweight.

Then those people would be going against the words of the pope a decade later.

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:55 am

How do you ban Popular music??
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:01 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:How do you ban Popular music??

Well, yes, but with proper education and wholesome activities, children can be taught the proper path. I'll remind everyone of something Professor Harold Hill said during his memorable visit to River City, Iowa ...

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:06 am

Nevertheless, it's quite ironic I'm listening to Metallica as I read the story.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:07 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:Nevertheless, it's quite ironic I'm listening to Metallica as I read the story.
xd

:p

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:08 am

Farnhamia wrote:
San Carlos Islands wrote:Nevertheless, it's quite ironic I'm listening to Metallica as I read the story.
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:p

By the way, your signature is a couple of lines over the eight-line limit. Do away with one or both of the boxes and you'll be fine.

Oh, wow... Thanks
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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:11 am

I mean, maybe jazz should be banned. It was, after all, Hell's music, isn't it?

I was referencing this, by the way. ;)
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:14 am

Valentine Z wrote:I mean, maybe jazz should be banned. It was, after all, Hell's music, isn't it?

I was referencing this, by the way. ;)

Jazz was around in the 30s. You know what else was? Al Capone. Ban it because of that reason.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:15 am

The South Falls wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:I mean, maybe jazz should be banned. It was, after all, Hell's music, isn't it?

I was referencing this, by the way. ;)

Jazz was around in the 30s. You know what else was? Al Capone. Ban it because of that reason.


So was the stock market crash. Ban Jazz, Al Capone and, Stock Markets.

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Postby Rejistania » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:18 am

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Rejistania wrote:Mostly just that I hate the clout Big Entertainment has on legislation and how they try to restrict both artists and consumers while at the same time trying to get copyright terms extended to the heat death of the universe. I would love to see their assets become worthless in the stroke of a pen.

What do you mean by "restricting artists"?

If it's "telling them how to make music better suiting a company's idea", that's part and parcel of working for someone.

I mean things like in J-POP where the artists are not allowed to date. Or editorial as well as stylistic control over the music. I mean how the promise of fame is used to extract... ...favors... from artists, I mean exploitive contracts, etc.
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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:25 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Jazz was around in the 30s. You know what else was? Al Capone. Ban it because of that reason.


So was the stock market crash. Ban Jazz, Al Capone and, Stock Markets.


But seriously, a world without music, is when we lost our souls. So no, no bans.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:43 am

Valentine Z wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So was the stock market crash. Ban Jazz, Al Capone and, Stock Markets.


But seriously, a world without music, is when we lost our souls. So no, no bans.

Agreed. It would also be a violation of human rights.

Freedom of expression covers art, music is art. Have a Swing cover of a Metal song.
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Postby Puldania » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:02 am

The person who wrote that article has awful knowledge of music theory. Based on that alone, their argument is worthless.

Besides, there are far worse modern composers today than Britney Spears and the like.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:07 am

Puldania wrote:The person who wrote that article has awful knowledge of music theory. Based on that alone, their argument is worthless.

Besides, there are far worse modern composers today than Britney Spears and the like.

You mean like this???
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Postby Puldania » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:10 am

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Puldania wrote:The person who wrote that article has awful knowledge of music theory. Based on that alone, their argument is worthless.

Besides, there are far worse modern composers today than Britney Spears and the like.

You mean like this???

Still better than Cage.
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Puldania wrote:

Still better than Cage.

I'd ask how, but I don't wanna know.
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Postby Puldania » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:12 am

Freezic Vast wrote:
Puldania wrote:Still better than Cage.

I'd ask how, but I don't wanna know.

Cage is the critical acclaimed composer who wrote 4"33 of silence.
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