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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:47 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Thats who was chosen in the primary. Blame the stupid two top primary


No shit. I'd rather blame the people who voted for such an asinine system. Many of them are likely the people who voted for such asinine candidates.

It was created in a free and fair election via a referendum. The only way to repeal it is another referendum

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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No shit. I'd rather blame the people who voted for such an asinine system. Many of them are likely the people who voted for such asinine candidates.

It was created in a free and fair election via a referendum. The only way to repeal it is another referendum


Yes, I'm aware of how it was created. Which is entirely irrelevant to it being hot garbage.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:04 am

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San Lumen wrote:It was created in a free and fair election via a referendum. The only way to repeal it is another referendum


Yes, I'm aware of how it was created. Which is entirely irrelevant to it being hot garbage.

I don't disagree its a stupid system

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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:06 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of how it was created. Which is entirely irrelevant to it being hot garbage.

I don't disagree its a stupid system


And, given the results of such a system, voting is a waste of my time, at least in that race it surely is.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:08 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don't disagree its a stupid system


And, given the results of such a system, voting is a waste of my time, at least in that race it surely is.


Diane Feinstein wasn't going to lose even if a Republican was running

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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:19 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And, given the results of such a system, voting is a waste of my time, at least in that race it surely is.


Diane Feinstein wasn't going to lose even if a Republican was running


Yeah, but at least I could cast a vote.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:44 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No its not


Sure it is!


Did you vote in the primary?

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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:50 am

Bienenhalde wrote:


Did you vote in the primary?


Yes.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:22 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, I'm aware of how it was created. Which is entirely irrelevant to it being hot garbage.

I don't disagree its a stupid system


No it isn't. They just didn't go far enough. To fix it, you guys need to expand even further and introduce RCV to California.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:28 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don't disagree its a stupid system


No it isn't. They just didn't go far enough. To fix it, you guys need to expand even further and introduce RCV to California.


Yeah, lets not.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:30 am

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I don't disagree its a stupid system


No it isn't. They just didn't go far enough. To fix it, you guys need to expand even further and introduce RCV to California.

Whats RCV

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Postby Shrillland » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:33 am

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
No it isn't. They just didn't go far enough. To fix it, you guys need to expand even further and introduce RCV to California.


Yeah, lets not.


It would fix the whole one-party-general mess by eliminating most shutouts at the very least. Hell, if you guys had it this year, Bradley would've been all but guaranteed Spot 2 with at least 25% of the vote.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:34 am

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
No it isn't. They just didn't go far enough. To fix it, you guys need to expand even further and introduce RCV to California.

Whats RCV


Ranked-choice voting, like in Maine and Australia.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:13 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Whats RCV


Ranked-choice voting, like in Maine and Australia.

What's the advantage of that?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:32 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Ranked-choice voting, like in Maine and Australia.

What's the advantage of that?


You're less likely to end up with two unpopular candidates and more likely to end up with two popular/palatable candidates.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:43 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yeah, lets not.


It would fix the whole one-party-general mess by eliminating most shutouts at the very least. Hell, if you guys had it this year, Bradley would've been all but guaranteed Spot 2 with at least 25% of the vote.


Though to be fair, can the average American really look at a RCV ballot and vote correctly? Me think not. However, I do support a RCV nonetheless.
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Postby Len Hyet » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:47 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Ranked-choice voting, like in Maine and Australia.

What's the advantage of that?

So ranked-choice voting means that on your ballot instead of selecting Candidate A, B, C, or D, you can rank candidates in your order of preference. So your ballot might look like:

1. Candidate D

2. Candidate B

3. Candidate A

Then everyone's first choices are counted. If no candidate gets a majority of the vote, then the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated. So the first round might look like:

Candidate A - 1200 votes

Candidate B - 1500 votes

Candidate C - 1000 votes

Candidate D - 800 votes

Since Candidate D has the lowest number of votes, any ballot that put Candidate D as their first choice is counted for their second choice. Since the above ballot chose D-B-A, their vote now counts for candidate B. So after Candidate D is eliminated, it'd look like:

Candidate A - 1300 votes

Candidate B - 2000 votes

Candidate C - 1200 votes

Since no candidate has yet reached 50% of the vote, the next lowest candidate is again eliminated, this time Candidate C. So now the count might look like:

Candidate A - 1900 votes

Candidate B - 2600 votes

Candidate B now has more than 50% of the vote, and thus wins the election. The benefit is that you can now vote for a 3rd party candidate without throwing away your vote. So 3rd parties are now viable options, without "giving away" the election to the opposition.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:43 pm

I like. And if I dont like a candidate AT ALL, I could just not put them down? Maybe I only want to vote for one candidate and not the others?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:45 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:I like. And if I dont like a candidate AT ALL, I could just not put them down? Maybe I only want to vote for one candidate and not the others?

Then you can't complain about the choices or who won.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:46 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:I like. And if I dont like a candidate AT ALL, I could just not put them down? Maybe I only want to vote for one candidate and not the others?


Then you can just leave the other options blank or as 4s.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:26 pm

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The Liberated Territories wrote:Voting is useless anyway.

No its not


Please explain why voting for anyone other than *insert left wing candidate* in my state of NJ matters.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:27 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No its not


Please explain why voting for anyone other than *insert left wing candidate* in my state of NJ matters.

More Republican votes draw a Democrat to the right. See West Virginia.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:27 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:I like. And if I dont like a candidate AT ALL, I could just not put them down? Maybe I only want to vote for one candidate and not the others?

Then you can't complain about the choices or who won.

Wtf is with this attitude. I voted in this case, didnt I? I can complain still. Seriously people that think that you can't complain if you voted a certain way or didnt like any of the options and didn't vote are just dumb.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Please explain why voting for anyone other than *insert left wing candidate* in my state of NJ matters.

More Republican votes draw a Democrat to the right. See West Virginia.

Can we trade Manchin for Murkowski?
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:30 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Please explain why voting for anyone other than *insert left wing candidate* in my state of NJ matters.

More Republican votes draw a Democrat to the right. See West Virginia.


Anomalous when you vote for Jeb Bush but your options are Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. Even if the winning candidate moves to the right, your vote still gets compromised.
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