US Midterm Election Megathread II: The Stretch Run Begins

[Washington Resistance Army]

They literally don't even know the type of politics they're pushing lol

It's not the policy, it's the A E S T H E T I C.

They don't have aesthetic tho

[Mystic Warriors]

Eh, I just see the Democratic Party embracing the hard and far-left just like the GOP has already embraced the hard and far-right.

If by "far-left" you mean "moderate-left" then I can't disagree with you more. I think Dems shifting towards the Left will be better for the country overall and improve their chances with the disenchanted center and moderates as well.

Hope so. The country has suffered so much in the past 2 years.

[Mystic Warriors]

It's not the policy, it's the A E S T H E T I C.

They don't have aesthetic tho

Yes they do.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They don't have aesthetic tho

Yes they do.

False

[Shofercia]

Eh, I just see the Democratic Party embracing the hard and far-left just like the GOP has already embraced the hard and far-right.

If by "far-left" you mean "moderate-left" then I can't disagree with you more. I think Dems shifting towards the Left will be better for the country overall and improve their chances with the disenchanted center and moderates as well.

If those policies actually help out the Centrists, sure. Thus far, I'm not seeing it. Don't forget, a lot of Centrists supported Bernie because he was honest, not because of his policies. When the Democrats beg for taxpayer money to house the poor and provide healthcare to illegal immigrants, and then turn around and waste billions on a fucking high speed rail... it won't matter how far left they go. They made a giant hole for themselves, one that the Republicans are enlarging every chance they get.

[Morgantown West Virginia]

If by "far-left" you mean "moderate-left" then I can't disagree with you more. I think Dems shifting towards the Left will be better for the country overall and improve their chances with the disenchanted center and moderates as well.

If those policies actually help out the Centrists, sure. Thus far, I'm not seeing it. Don't forget, a lot of Centrists supported Bernie because he was honest, not because of his policies. When the Democrats beg for taxpayer money to house the poor and provide healthcare to illegal immigrants, and then turn around and waste billions on a fucking high speed rail... it won't matter how far left they go. They made a giant hole for themselves, one that the Republicans are enlarging every chance they get.

This is exactly what is going on right now in this current political environment

[Uxupox]

They don't have aesthetic tho

Yes they do.

simply untrue.

[Shofercia]

If those policies actually help out the Centrists, sure. Thus far, I'm not seeing it. Don't forget, a lot of Centrists supported Bernie because he was honest, not because of his policies. When the Democrats beg for taxpayer money to house the poor and provide healthcare to illegal immigrants, and then turn around and waste billions on a fucking high speed rail... it won't matter how far left they go. They made a giant hole for themselves, one that the Republicans are enlarging every chance they get.

This is exactly what is going on right now in this current political environment

I was looking up the info, and it's worse than I thought.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/califor ... ouble.html
https://www.fresnobee.com/latest-news/a ... 20609.html

A decade ago, California voters approved Proposition 1A, authorizing nearly $10 billion in bond money for the construction of the high-speed rail system...

Brown, a Democrat who is ineligible to run for re-election, will leave office in January 2019. Brown's spokesman, Gareth Lacy, said by email: "The governor made his support for high-speed rail very clear in his prepared State of the State address, and that hasn't changed."

...In addition to the $10 billion in initial bond money state voters approved in 2008, California secured about $3.3 billion in federal stimulus funds in 2009 — and has already burned through about $2.5 billion of that money. Last summer, the state legislature voted to extend California's cap-and-trade program through 2030, but critics say revenue from the greenhouse gas-emissions reduction program still won't be enough to fund the high-speed rail project...

A business plan released Friday by the California High-Speed Rail Authority shows its projected baseline cost is now $77 billion...

Cost estimates: https://www.fresnobee.com/latest-news/a ... 20609.html

Cost estimates for California's planned high-speed rail system have varied widely since before California voters passed Proposition 1A in 2008:

2006 (800 miles) - $35,000,000,000
2007 (800 miles) - $40,000,000,000
2008 (520 miles) - $33,600,000,000
2008 (800 miles) - $45,000,000,000
2009 (520 miles) - $35,000,000,000
2009 (800 miles) - $45,000,000,000
2010 (520 miles) - $43,000,000,000
2011 (520 miles) - $98,500,000,000
2012 (520 miles) - $68,400,000,000
2014 (520 miles) - $67,600,000,000
2016 (520 miles) - $64,200,000,000
2018 (520 miles) - $77,300,000,000

[Shrillland]

This is exactly what is going on right now in this current political environment

I was looking up the info, and it's worse than I thought.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/califor ... ouble.html
https://www.fresnobee.com/latest-news/a ... 20609.html

A decade ago, California voters approved Proposition 1A, authorizing nearly $10 billion in bond money for the construction of the high-speed rail system...

Brown, a Democrat who is ineligible to run for re-election, will leave office in January 2019. Brown's spokesman, Gareth Lacy, said by email: "The governor made his support for high-speed rail very clear in his prepared State of the State address, and that hasn't changed."

...In addition to the $10 billion in initial bond money state voters approved in 2008, California secured about $3.3 billion in federal stimulus funds in 2009 — and has already burned through about $2.5 billion of that money. Last summer, the state legislature voted to extend California's cap-and-trade program through 2030, but critics say revenue from the greenhouse gas-emissions reduction program still won't be enough to fund the high-speed rail project...

A business plan released Friday by the California High-Speed Rail Authority shows its projected baseline cost is now $77 billion...

Cost estimates: https://www.fresnobee.com/latest-news/a ... 20609.html

Cost estimates for California's planned high-speed rail system have varied widely since before California voters passed Proposition 1A in 2008:

2006 (800 miles) - $35,000,000,000
2007 (800 miles) - $40,000,000,000
2008 (520 miles) - $33,600,000,000
2008 (800 miles) - $45,000,000,000
2009 (520 miles) - $35,000,000,000
2009 (800 miles) - $45,000,000,000
2010 (520 miles) - $43,000,000,000
2011 (520 miles) - $98,500,000,000
2012 (520 miles) - $68,400,000,000
2014 (520 miles) - $67,600,000,000
2016 (520 miles) - $64,200,000,000
2018 (520 miles) - $77,300,000,000

Makes you wonder how the hell other countries manage to do it without such massive costs. I'm all for maglev trains in America, but I didn't think it would be so expensive.

[Thermodolia]

This is exactly what is going on right now in this current political environment

I was looking up the info, and it's worse than I thought.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/califor ... ouble.html
https://www.fresnobee.com/latest-news/a ... 20609.html

A decade ago, California voters approved Proposition 1A, authorizing nearly $10 billion in bond money for the construction of the high-speed rail system...

Brown, a Democrat who is ineligible to run for re-election, will leave office in January 2019. Brown's spokesman, Gareth Lacy, said by email: "The governor made his support for high-speed rail very clear in his prepared State of the State address, and that hasn't changed."

...In addition to the $10 billion in initial bond money state voters approved in 2008, California secured about $3.3 billion in federal stimulus funds in 2009 — and has already burned through about $2.5 billion of that money. Last summer, the state legislature voted to extend California's cap-and-trade program through 2030, but critics say revenue from the greenhouse gas-emissions reduction program still won't be enough to fund the high-speed rail project...

A business plan released Friday by the California High-Speed Rail Authority shows its projected baseline cost is now $77 billion...

Cost estimates: https://www.fresnobee.com/latest-news/a ... 20609.html

Cost estimates for California's planned high-speed rail system have varied widely since before California voters passed Proposition 1A in 2008:

2006 (800 miles) - $35,000,000,000
2007 (800 miles) - $40,000,000,000
2008 (520 miles) - $33,600,000,000
2008 (800 miles) - $45,000,000,000
2009 (520 miles) - $35,000,000,000
2009 (800 miles) - $45,000,000,000
2010 (520 miles) - $43,000,000,000
2011 (520 miles) - $98,500,000,000
2012 (520 miles) - $68,400,000,000
2014 (520 miles) - $67,600,000,000
2016 (520 miles) - $64,200,000,000
2018 (520 miles) - $77,300,000,000

All while the private sector is building high speed railways at half the cost and a hell of a lot quicker. Yay for California Corruption

[Mystic Warriors]

Yes they do.

simply untrue.

Cant argue with that logic.

[Mystic Warriors]

If by "far-left" you mean "moderate-left" then I can't disagree with you more. I think Dems shifting towards the Left will be better for the country overall and improve their chances with the disenchanted center and moderates as well.

If those policies actually help out the Centrists, sure. Thus far, I'm not seeing it. Don't forget, a lot of Centrists supported Bernie because he was honest, not because of his policies. When the Democrats beg for taxpayer money to house the poor and provide healthcare to illegal immigrants, and then turn around and waste billions on a fucking high speed rail... it won't matter how far left they go. They made a giant hole for themselves, one that the Republicans are enlarging every chance they get.

Then the GOP isn't doing a very good job at it. Funny thing your links below dont match your comment here. You are not making the connection or explaining the issue.

Of course the GOP just runs on stranger danger and tax cuts so...

[Thermodolia]

If those policies actually help out the Centrists, sure. Thus far, I'm not seeing it. Don't forget, a lot of Centrists supported Bernie because he was honest, not because of his policies. When the Democrats beg for taxpayer money to house the poor and provide healthcare to illegal immigrants, and then turn around and waste billions on a fucking high speed rail... it won't matter how far left they go. They made a giant hole for themselves, one that the Republicans are enlarging every chance they get.

Then the GOP isn't doing a very good job at it. Funny thing your links below dont match your comment here. You are not making the connection or explaining the issue.

Of course the GOP just runs on stranger danger and tax cuts so...

Ya know that people aren’t always one way or the other right?

[Mystic Warriors]

Then the GOP isn't doing a very good job at it. Funny thing your links below dont match your comment here. You are not making the connection or explaining the issue.

Of course the GOP just runs on stranger danger and tax cuts so...

Ya know that people aren’t always one way or the other right?

What does that have to do with what I said?

[Thermodolia]

Ya know that people aren’t always one way or the other right?

What does that have to do with what I said?

Meaning that just because they harp on the Democrats doesn’t mean that they automatically support the republicans

[Morgantown West Virginia]

The fact is the GOP split between some getting more far-right (mainly the GOP before Trump, some Trump supporters) and more moderate (aka Trump Democrats, Never-Trump), however, can survive off what the Democrats are doing. They are on the broad basis going more left. Examples are when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez beat Rep. Joe Crowley. Before her win, "Abolish ICE" was never mentioned by any major Democratic figures. As soon as she won, Sen. Gillibrand and NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio got behind that position.

[Mystic Warriors]

What does that have to do with what I said?

Meaning that just because they harp on the Democrats doesn’t mean that they automatically support the republicans

Did you read his comment? He said Republicans.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The fact is the GOP split between some getting more far-right (mainly the GOP before Trump, some Trump supporters) and more moderate (aka Trump Democrats, Never-Trump), however, can survive off what the Democrats are doing. They are on the broad basis going more left. Examples are when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez beat Rep. Joe Crowley. Before her win, "Abolish ICE" was never mentioned by any major Democratic figures. As soon as she won, Sen. Gillibrand and NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio got behind that position.

Ocasio-Cortez is a godsend for the right wing tbh. Every time that woman opens her mouth she just spews campaign ad material for the GOP.

[Thermodolia]

The fact is the GOP split between some getting more far-right (mainly the GOP before Trump, some Trump supporters) and more moderate (aka Trump Democrats, Never-Trump), however, can survive off what the Democrats are doing. They are on the broad basis going more left. Examples are when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez beat Rep. Joe Crowley. Before her win, "Abolish ICE" was never mentioned by any major Democratic figures. As soon as she won, Sen. Gillibrand and NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio got behind that position.

Ocasio-Cortez is a godsend for the right wing tbh. Every time that woman opens her mouth she just spews campaign ad material for the GOP.

She’s an absolute mess. If she loses that seat the DNC is going to turn on the DSA faster than republicans turned on Nixon

[Morgantown West Virginia]

Ocasio-Cortez is a godsend for the right wing tbh. Every time that woman opens her mouth she just spews campaign ad material for the GOP.

She’s an absolute mess. If she loses that seat the DNC is going to turn on the DSA faster than republicans turned on Nixon

I highly doubt she would lose the seat to the Republicans. If anything, Rep. Crowley could win on the Working Families' line on the ballot.

[Thermodolia]

She’s an absolute mess. If she loses that seat the DNC is going to turn on the DSA faster than republicans turned on Nixon

I highly doubt she would lose the seat to the Republicans. If anything, Rep. Crowley could win on the Working Families' line on the ballot.

I mean it’s not something I want to test out though

[Valrifell]

If by "far-left" you mean "moderate-left" then I can't disagree with you more. I think Dems shifting towards the Left will be better for the country overall and improve their chances with the disenchanted center and moderates as well.

If those policies actually help out the Centrists, sure. Thus far, I'm not seeing it. Don't forget, a lot of Centrists supported Bernie because he was honest, not because of his policies. When the Democrats beg for taxpayer money to house the poor and provide healthcare to illegal immigrants, and then turn around and waste billions on a fucking high speed rail... it won't matter how far left they go. They made a giant hole for themselves, one that the Republicans are enlarging every chance they get.

Exactly, a fresh coat of paint lead by Sanders-minded individuals with new policy goals and means to achieve them would do exactly as you describe.

[Morgantown West Virginia]

I highly doubt she would lose the seat to the Republicans. If anything, Rep. Crowley could win on the Working Families' line on the ballot.

I mean it’s not something I want to test out though

They do not want to test that out but they might if they are scared that the progressive/socialist wing will hijack the whole party.

[Valrifell]

The fact is the GOP split between some getting more far-right (mainly the GOP before Trump, some Trump supporters) and more moderate (aka Trump Democrats, Never-Trump), however, can survive off what the Democrats are doing. They are on the broad basis going more left. Examples are when Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez beat Rep. Joe Crowley. Before her win, "Abolish ICE" was never mentioned by any major Democratic figures. As soon as she won, Sen. Gillibrand and NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio got behind that position.

Ocasio-Cortez is a godsend for the right wing tbh. Every time that woman opens her mouth she just spews campaign ad material for the GOP.

I think it's more productive to look at Ocasio-Cortez as a symptom of a larger trend where the DSA is gaining far more relevance and influence than it had only a year ago.

[Thermodolia]

I mean it’s not something I want to test out though

They do not want to test that out but they might if they are scared that the progressive/socialist wing will hijack the whole party.

Well that bunch would surely doom us to Centuries of Republican rule