Telconi wrote:Post War America wrote:
I'm rather irritated at the conservative insistence that they have a monopoly on being "constitutional" given their penchant for ignoring the first, fifth, sixth, and arguably the seventh amendments, just as frequent abuse of executive power, and in many cases desire to disregard or eliminate the fourteenth amendment.
To be fair, this is both sides...
Yet conservatives have generally been the biggest offenders in unconstitutional politics throughout American history, so the “both sides” thing here is really lopsided to one side more than the other. Especially considering that they were the Royalists during the Revolution, the anti-Federalists during the drafting of the constitution, the Confederates and pro-slavers during the civil war, the KKK and enacters of the Black Codes during Reconstruction, the segregationists and Jim Crow-supporters during the 1950s-60s, etc, the opposers of LGBT rights today, etc.
Mardla wrote:Post War America wrote:
I'm rather irritated at the conservative insistence that they have a monopoly on being "constitutional" given their penchant for ignoring the first, fifth, sixth, and arguably the seventh amendments, just as frequent abuse of executive power, and in many cases desire to disregard or eliminate the fourteenth amendment.
The conservative conception of what the Constitution means is closer to the original.The Alien and Sedition Acts for example got approved by Congress, the Senate, the Executive and SCOTUS (whose Chief Justice was appointed by George Washington). Liberals today would say this is a gross violation of the Constitution if conservatives did something similar, but it's really not, it's just a gross violation of the retconned conception of the Constitution cultivated by progressives.
I’m think you have all of that backwards, Parkus. :^].
Really, if the conservatives had their way in 1789 then the constitution wouldn’t have been a thing to begin with and the Articles of Confederation would’ve remained as they were, or at least until it would’ve collapsed and the states went their separate ways as 13 sovereign nations instead of one federalized one.