US Midterm Election Megathread II: The Stretch Run Begins

[San Lumen]

Petra and Lumen sound like Trump supporters making every excuse that Trump didn't do anything or any other Republican with accusations. Doesn't look that great to be like that.

So we should simply believe a single claim of abuse with alleged evidence but refusal to show that evidence?

Nick Jonas and Dustin Hoffman was accused of abuse and they still have careers. Could it be the claims we’re not credible like this one? Whatever happened to innocent till proven quilty?

[Petrasylvania]

Petra and Lumen sound like Trump supporters making every excuse that Trump didn't do anything or any other Republican with accusations. Doesn't look that great to be like that.

Except if she actually releases the tapes and they're not made up for the midterms, I will agree Ellison must go. Good God, even Omarosa backed her words up with proof.

[Telconi]

Me neither. I'll wait until she either releases the video to disprove the haters or says there never was one, but I'm starting to lean towards there being evidence.

I don’t believe her until she provides the evidence. Why wouldn’t you report the incident? Ellison has unequivocally denied it and I take his word over hers for now

There are literally thousands of reasons why an abused woman wouldn't report the abuse.This is a pattern that holds regardless of who is abusing them.

[Telconi]

Petra and Lumen sound like Trump supporters making every excuse that Trump didn't do anything or any other Republican with accusations. Doesn't look that great to be like that.

So we should simply believe a single claim of abuse with alleged evidence but refusal to show that evidence?

Nick Jonas and Dustin Hoffman was accused of abuse and they still have careers. Could it be the claims we’re not credible like this one? Whatever happened to innocent till proven quilty?

I think that's the question people ask you about Trump. Hmmmm.

[San Lumen]

I don’t believe her until she provides the evidence. Why wouldn’t you report the incident? Ellison has unequivocally denied it and I take his word over hers for now

There are literally thousands of reasons why an abused woman wouldn't report the abuse.This is a pattern that holds regardless of who is abusing them.

But their claims must be believed no matter what? Why does Nick Jonas have a career still? He was accused of sexual assault and the accuser had zero evidence just like in this case.

[Valrifell]

There are literally thousands of reasons why an abused woman wouldn't report the abuse.This is a pattern that holds regardless of who is abusing them.

But their claims must be believed no matter what? Why does Nick Jonas have a career still? He was accused of sexual assault and the accuser had zero evidence just like in this case.

Give the victim the benefit of the doubt. Screaming that all these accusations are false only discourages people from speaking up.

[San Lumen]

But their claims must be believed no matter what? Why does Nick Jonas have a career still? He was accused of sexual assault and the accuser had zero evidence just like in this case.

Give the victim the benefit of the doubt. Screaming that all these accusations are false only discourages people from speaking up.

If you have evidence release it otherwise it reeks of a hit job

[Telconi]

Give the victim the benefit of the doubt. Screaming that all these accusations are false only discourages people from speaking up.

If you have evidence release it otherwise it reeks of a hit job

Maybe it is, but you're perfectly willing to gleefully prosecute hit jobs against politicans you dislike.

[Arlenton]

What does Russia have to do with polls being off? That doesn't make any sense.

Maybe so, but none of the 2016 election makes much sense until one looks at the Russian efforts to affect the election. Then everything comes into question.

Nevertheless, to the actual point, I think the GOP is in desperate straights in 2018 and would love for any kind of help from anywhere. The popular anger in 2018 is working for the other side this time around.

So like, almost, every other midterm election.

[Arlenton]

But their claims must be believed no matter what? Why does Nick Jonas have a career still? He was accused of sexual assault and the accuser had zero evidence just like in this case.

Give the victim the benefit of the doubt. Screaming that all these accusations are false only discourages people from speaking up.

Blindly giving the alleged victim the benefit of the doubt isn't the right thing to do either.

[Jerzylvania]

Maybe so, but none of the 2016 election makes much sense until one looks at the Russian efforts to affect the election. Then everything comes into question.

Nevertheless, to the actual point, I think the GOP is in desperate straights in 2018 and would love for any kind of help from anywhere. The popular anger in 2018 is working for the other side this time around.

So like, almost, every other midterm election.

Maybe not. Maybe more like 2010, 2006, 1994 or 1974. In these elections it always ends up worse than the losing party expected.

[Cannot think of a name]

Give the victim the benefit of the doubt. Screaming that all these accusations are false only discourages people from speaking up.

Blindly giving the alleged victim the benefit of the doubt isn't the right thing to do either.

I'm not a fan of putting victims through a scorn filled wringer while unironically asking why they didn't come forward sooner.

[Sick Jumps]

Meanwhile in Minnesota: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/woman-accusing-rep-keith-ellison-of-abuse-speaks-out/ar-BBM1XJ6?li=BBnb7Kz

I'm increasingly finding it possible that something happened, and that it could seriously mess up the Democrats chances up there unless something is done.

Is it too late for him to drop out of the race?

[Shrillland]

Meanwhile in Minnesota: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/woman-accusing-rep-keith-ellison-of-abuse-speaks-out/ar-BBM1XJ6?li=BBnb7Kz

I'm increasingly finding it possible that something happened, and that it could seriously mess up the Democrats chances up there unless something is done.

Is it too late for him to drop out of the race?

No, the state party would just have to find someone else if things go from bad to worse.

[Shrillland]

Yet again, the plaza expands with new measures.

Arizona: Finally, we have a law that would require energy companies to generate a certain amount of electricity from renewable sources. The amount would start at 12% in 2020 and rise up to 50% by 2030. This is being attacked as a measure suggested by an out-of-state fellow, Tom Steyer(the architect of this proposal) being from California. I'm not confident that it will pass. Arizona is changing, but they aren't California or even Nevada.

Arkansas: Despite Ballotpedia's initial introduction, Issue 4 would actually raise the state's minimum wage to $11 an hour by 2021. Compared to some other states, this is fairly modest, so I think it could pass.

[Collatis]

You guys are really ruining this thread with these never-ending, back and forth snark fests. Just saying.

If only people weren’t too proud to use the ignore feature ;-;

Anyhow. Saw my first ad for Menendez’s challenger, I guess I dont watch a lot of TV nowadays

I see Hugin’s ads every time I watch Jeopardy. I’ve also seen his bus.

He’s definitely going all in with campaigning. I still expect Menendez to win by a decent margin, however.

[Arlenton]

So like, almost, every other midterm election.

Maybe not. Maybe more like 2010, 2006, 1994 or 1974. In these elections it always ends up worse than the losing party expected.

So.... The usual midterm?

[Arlenton]

Blindly giving the alleged victim the benefit of the doubt isn't the right thing to do either.

I'm not a fan of putting victims through a scorn filled wringer while unironically asking why they didn't come forward sooner.

I'm a fan of, you know, using facts to determine who is right in the situation.

[Jerzylvania]

Maybe not. Maybe more like 2010, 2006, 1994 or 1974. In these elections it always ends up worse than the losing party expected.

So.... The usual midterm?

No.... The unusual midterm. Trump's says he's gonna visit all 50 states. OTOH, that's probably just another one of his lies.

[San Lumen]

Meanwhile in Minnesota: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/woman-accusing-rep-keith-ellison-of-abuse-speaks-out/ar-BBM1XJ6?li=BBnb7Kz

I'm increasingly finding it possible that something happened, and that it could seriously mess up the Democrats chances up there unless something is done.

Is it too late for him to drop out of the race?

Why should he? There is no evidence he did anything wrong and now she's changing her story from her initial account and that she lost the tape. In my view she has no credibility

[Arlenton]

So.... The usual midterm?

No.... The unusual midterm. Trump's says he's gonna visit all 50 states. OTOH, that's probably just another one of his lies.

I'm very confused.

[Jerzylvania]

No.... The unusual midterm. Trump's says he's gonna visit all 50 states. OTOH, that's probably just another one of his lies.

I'm very confused.

There's an epidemic. It will pass.

[Telconi]

Is it too late for him to drop out of the race?

Why should he? There is no evidence he did anything wrong and now she's changing her story from her initial account and that she lost the tape. In my view she has no credibility

Yesss. Yesss, let your partisanship flow through you!

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm not a fan of putting victims through a scorn filled wringer while unironically asking why they didn't come forward sooner.

I'm a fan of, you know, using facts to determine who is right in the situation.

Also not a fan of hiding under the pretense that I'm the same thing as an actual court of law that will be presented with evidence personally and has the power to arrest and detain as a bullshit shield to act sanctimonious in my attempts to justify shitting on victims.

[San Lumen]

Why should he? There is no evidence he did anything wrong and now she's changing her story from her initial account and that she lost the tape. In my view she has no credibility

Yesss. Yesss, let your partisanship flow through you!

And you don't do the same? Whose calling the kettle black?