Should Siberia become independent?

[Shofercia]

Besides Russia will not give up Siberia, Japan tried that in 1938 and Russia killed them enough that Japan decided picking a fight with America was a better idea.

It ended up as a Japanese Victory though. They took half of Sakhalin, and the Kuril Islands.

Also, all I'm saying is that Siberia would do better as a seperate country than part of Russia. If you patriots want it to be allied with the US, it'll be the same for me.

In what World was 1938 a Japanese Victory? The 1398 Battle of Lake Khasan led to the 1939 Battle of Khalkin Gol, where the Japanese were mauled so badly, that they never had the courage to attack Russia/USSR again. Ever.

Also, the majority of the people in Siberia, who are ethnic Russians, would call your proposal "utter bullshit" and probably say other things to you that I shouldn't quote on NSG.

[The New Sea Territory]

It's worth noting that a good deal of this region is already administered by autonomous republics.

[Des-Bal]

That would be great! Instead of the Russian government making money from the natural resources and ignoring the population it would be the Siberian government doing the exact same thing.

[The South Falls]

The Cossacks are weak. Centuries of not serving the Tsar has made them non-allegient to Russia. They can be bought.

Where is the evidence for this? Admittedly ancedotal but has everyone forgotten that video from like a year or two ago where those two Cossacks beat the fuck out of some Americans in Moscow?

I was totally kidding. Like 100%. Seriously, though, the Cossacks are strong.

[Rakdai]

It ended up as a Japanese Victory though. They took half of Sakhalin, and the Kuril Islands.

Also, all I'm saying is that Siberia would do better as a seperate country than part of Russia. If you patriots want it to be allied with the US, it'll be the same for me.

In what World was 1938 a Japanese Victory? The 1398 Battle of Lake Khasan led to the 1939 Battle of Khalkin Gol, where the Japanese were mauled so badly, that they never had the courage to attack Russia/USSR again. Ever.

Also, the majority of the people in Siberia, who are ethnic Russians, would call your proposal "utter bullshit" and probably say other things to you that I shouldn't quote on NSG.

Oh, you're talking about the Soviet–Japanese border conflicts of 1938. I was thinking about the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05. The Japanese won the Russo-Japanese war.

[FutureAmerica]

Manchuria, Inner Mongolia and Tibet should become independent.

[Dogmeat]

Manchuria, Inner Mongolia and Tibet should become independent.

A bit off topic, except for the bit of Manchuria in Russia.

Also, why would Inner Mongolia become independent? Wouldn't they just join Outer Mongolia?

[Shofercia]

In what World was 1938 a Japanese Victory? The 1398 Battle of Lake Khasan led to the 1939 Battle of Khalkin Gol, where the Japanese were mauled so badly, that they never had the courage to attack Russia/USSR again. Ever.

Also, the majority of the people in Siberia, who are ethnic Russians, would call your proposal "utter bullshit" and probably say other things to you that I shouldn't quote on NSG.

Oh, you're talking about the Soviet–Japanese border conflicts of 1938. I was thinking about the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05. The Japanese won the Russo-Japanese war.

From the very post you were responding to:

Besides Russia will not give up Siberia, Japan tried that in 1938 and Russia killed them enough that Japan decided picking a fight with America was a better idea.

It's ok though, I'm sure Dogmeat could've made the same mistake. Anyone here could've done that.

Demographics of Buryatia from the 2010 Census:

630,783 Russians
286,839 Buryats
37,380 Others

According to the OP's crazy theory, Siberian Russians are somehow different from ethnic Russians and should secede because some posters on the Internet have feelings. Please don't encourage the OP with unlabeled sarcasm

The Russian sense of humor folks.

More like a Russian's sense of humor on NSG. I've been here for quite a while, and I've seen some theories that are even too crazy for AJ.

[Risottia]

Manchuria, Inner Mongolia and Tibet should become independent one with Russia.

Fixed for the лулц.

[Afrique Occidentale]

No, not all area that's exploited its resources need to be their own country. There's a reason why Russian government spend so little rubble there, because almost nobody lives there.

[Rakdai]

No, not all area that's exploited its resources need to be their own country. There's a reason why Russian government spend so little rubble there, because almost nobody lives there.

34 million people live in Siberia, and more could easily immigrate there. Most of Southern Siberia is temperate, Novosibirsk sees temperatures in the 80s and 90s often in July.

[Internationalist Bastard]

But why?

[United Imperial Systems]

Amm, no?
Giving more stuff to China is never a good idea.

[Rakdai]

OK, fine.

To all you people who think China is Satan, the US could protect Siberia.

[Internationalist Bastard]

OK, fine.

To all you people who think China is Satan, the US could protect Siberia.

That’s still bad, considering our record of protecting resource rich countries

[United Imperial Systems]

OK, fine.

To all you people who think China is Satan, the US could protect Siberia.

Why the hell would the U.S protect Siberia?
Siberia is a part of Russia, and thus it's affected by it's propoganda, most people in Russia see the U.S as the ultimate threat to Russia.

[Rakdai]

OK, fine.

To all you people who think China is Satan, the US could protect Siberia.

Why the hell would the U.S protect Siberia?
Siberia is a part of Russia, and thus it's affected by it's propoganda, most people in Russia see the U.S as the ultimate threat to Russia.

Russia barely does any propoganda anymore.

[Washington Resistance Army]

OK, fine.

To all you people who think China is Satan, the US could protect Siberia.

That’s still bad, considering our record of protecting resource rich countries

Nono, it's great. We'll protect them from Chinese and Russian aggression. All we ask in return is everything valuable they have.

[Internationalist Bastard]

That’s still bad, considering our record of protecting resource rich countries

Nono, it's great. We'll protect them from Chinese and Russian aggression. All we ask in return is everything valuable they have.

Yeah
And in order to help protect democracy, we’ll find their army, and make sure their president has lots of freedom to put down those brainwashed terrorists who protest the state

[Great-America]

Russia barely does any propoganda anymore.

Overt propaganda, maybe; But government-owned TV and radio programs accomplish pretty much the same task. They may well be worse than MSNBC, which is saying something.
To the point, though, there are too many Russian nationals and businesses in Siberia to justify its independence; It'd be either economically enslaved or re-annexed by Russia in a heartbeat.

[Kasynatia]

Nyet

[Costa Fierro]

That would be great! Instead of the Russian government making money from the natural resources and ignoring the population it would be the Siberian government doing the exact same thing.

It wouldn't. It'd be the Siberian government(s) selling them off to the highest bidder. So the biggest benefactors would be Rio Tinto or some other mining company.

Nono, it's great. We'll protect them from Chinese and Russian aggression. All we ask in return is everything valuable they have.

"Your money or your life."

[The Archregimancy]

where Shofercia will help explain to us why Russia's victory over / draw with / loss to [delete as appropriate] Saudi Arabia demonstrates why Transnistria should be recognised as a legitimate sovereign nation state

Haven't done that in said thread.

As with the similar points in that quoted OP, that was clearly humour. Calm down, Shofie.

Which likely won't stop Shofercia from getting somewhat worked up at this grave insult to Russian territorial integrity and national pride.

Haven't done that either.

That's perhaps a bit more subjective.

[Skarten]

In my opinion that would be a bad idea.
I mean, what would they do? They'd just continue with the extraction because that's the only way to get money out of siberia.
The difference is that they'd become a Chinese Puppet.
And nobody benefits from that but the chinese.

[United Imperial Systems]

Why the hell would the U.S protect Siberia?
Siberia is a part of Russia, and thus it's affected by it's propoganda, most people in Russia see the U.S as the ultimate threat to Russia.

Russia barely does any propoganda anymore.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You tell that to a girl who lives in Russia RIGHT NOW?
Yeah, get your facts straight mate, Russia does have propoganda, and it wastes trillions on it.