Sweden: More than just furniture(Government Found)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What makes socialism as bad as Nazism?

dunno. i said others not me.

Afaik, I haven't come across beliefs in socailism that would make it as bad as nazism, so let's assume that it isn't. Why would you (hypothetical "you") want to ban socialism?

[Valgora]

What makes socialism as bad as Nazism?

Weren't Nazi's socialists?

Hence National Socialism?

No, the Nazi's weren't socialist.

[Uxupox]

dunno. i said others not me.

Afaik, I haven't come across beliefs in socailism that would make it as bad as nazism, so let's assume that it isn't. Why would you (hypothetical "you") want to ban socialism?

i don't want to ban anything.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What makes socialism as bad as Nazism?

Weren't Nazi's socialists?

Hence National Socialism?

They just used the title, they weren't actually socialist.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Afaik, I haven't come across beliefs in socailism that would make it as bad as nazism, so let's assume that it isn't. Why would you (hypothetical "you") want to ban socialism?

i don't want to ban anything.

That's why I said "hypothetical you", unless this doesn't even apply to you.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What makes socialism as bad as Nazism?

Weren't Nazi's socialists?

Hence National Socialism?

Isn’t North Korea a Democracy?

Hence Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea?

Seriously that’s how you sound.

[Uxupox]

i don't want to ban anything.

That's why I said "hypothetical you", unless this doesn't even apply to you.

hypothetically it can't. i can't think of a reason to ban anything, be that ideas or something else.

[Puldania]

Correlation =\= causation

The fact remains that something is happening causing a rise in crime in Sweden. The current government appears to believe that such a thing is simply not happening.

The crime rise is caused primarily by a systematic widening of criminal definitions in Sweden, particularly for rape.

[The South Falls]

What makes socialism as bad as Nazism?

Weren't Nazi's socialists?

Hence National Socialism?

You can call your political movement anything.

[San Carlos Islands]

Weren't Nazi's socialists?

Hence National Socialism?

They just used the title, they weren't actually socialist.

Weren't Nazi's socialists?

Hence National Socialism?

Isn’t North Korea a Democracy?

Hence Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea?

Seriously that’s how you sound.

From the National Socialist Workers Party Manifesto-- http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1708-ps.asp

9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

Also promoted abortion for non-Aryans: http://www.cpforlife.org/the-nazis-and-abortion

If you can read through the racism. It's all socialist policy, and the Nazi Party virtually carried everything above out while in power.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The NSDAP also privatized a great many things. There's a reason they fit into the third positionist category.

[Rockwellshire]

It allows for the economic migrants to change a white culture into a backwards culture that will continue to see an increase in rapes and attacks by those with low IQs. Mass deportation is the only solution to save Sweden.

Total rubbish. And Who would you deport? Anyone whose not white?

Anyone who has not been in Sweden at least 10 years and is not white, Japanese, Chinese,or Russian. Sweden has always been a white country. Rapefugees are no longer welcome and they will be sent back to where they came from. They mostly cannot be asylum seekers as they have to stop in the first safe country and apply for asylum,get rejected,move to the next country and repeat. There is no way they would reach Sweden first so they have violated international law and lied on their applications. Most non-whites are not in Sweden,a white nation, legally.

[Rockwellshire]

They just used the title, they weren't actually socialist.

Isn’t North Korea a Democracy?

Hence Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea?

Seriously that’s how you sound.

From the National Socialist Workers Party Manifesto-- http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1708-ps.asp

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

Also promoted abortion for non-Aryans: http://www.cpforlife.org/the-nazis-and-abortion

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9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

If you can read through the racism. It's all socialist policy, and the Nazi Party virtually carried everything above out while in power.

Yes,but they worked hand in hand with the Junkers to build the war economy...

Hitler did nothing wrong in my eyes but he wasn't COMPLETELY socialist or capitalist

[Valgora]

They just used the title, they weren't actually socialist.

Isn’t North Korea a Democracy?

Hence Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea?

Seriously that’s how you sound.

From the National Socialist Workers Party Manifesto-- http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1708-ps.asp

9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

Also promoted abortion for non-Aryans: http://www.cpforlife.org/the-nazis-and-abortion

If you can read through the racism. It's all socialist policy, and the Nazi Party virtually carried everything above out while in power.

"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of 'socialism', as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the 'common good', accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization.

The Nazi Party's precursor, the Pan-German nationalist and antisemitic German Workers' Party, was founded on 5 January 1919. By the early 1920s the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party – to attract workers away from left-wing parties such as the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD)"

Also, I would not consider what you listed as "socialist policies".

Also, demanding and forcing abortion upon groups of people is pretty different from just promoting it.

[Canadensia]

The closest thing to a neo-Nazi propaganda influence on youngsters is 4chan, and I'd say that associating them with Nazism is quite the stretch.

As for allowing them too much of a free hand to spread their message, I imagine you wouldn't actually be a fan of true censorship in practice. Since if Western countries actually made a concerted effort to stamp out Neo-Nazism, it would probably entail a general censorship war on radicalism, which evidently would make your own ideological beliefs impossible to propagate without running the risk of being criminally prosecuted.

No it wouldn't. Censoring neo-Nazis wouldn't inevitably lead to censoring other ideologies.

Highly unlikely, especially considering how censorship of the Far-Right and Authoritarian Center has generally coincided, or at least been rapidly followed by, censorship of the Far-Left. The only places where this consistently hasn't been the case has been in Communist countries, for obvious reasons.

[The South Falls]

From the National Socialist Workers Party Manifesto-- http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1708-ps.asp

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

Also promoted abortion for non-Aryans: http://www.cpforlife.org/the-nazis-and-abortion

Edit:

9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

If you can read through the racism. It's all socialist policy, and the Nazi Party virtually carried everything above out while in power.

Yes,but they worked hand in hand with the Junkers to build the war economy...

Hitler did nothing wrong in my eyes but he wasn't COMPLETELY socialist or capitalist

You're including his massive atrocities?

[Shrillland]

If the SD wins in parliament and forms a right-wing coalition, then I beleive they can.

If I recall correctly every party in parliament said they will not form a coalition with them.

Yes, but they said that in half a dozen other countries, as I've been saying. With the polls showing them virtually tied with the Social Democrats and increasing numbers of alliance members willing to include them as junior partners, the reality is that the Sweden Democrats likely will get into the government, the only question is as what.

[The South Falls]

If I recall correctly every party in parliament said they will not form a coalition with them.

Yes, but they said that in half a dozen other countries, as I've been saying. With the polls showing them virtually tied with the Social Democrats and increasing numbers of alliance members willing to include them as junior partners, the reality is that the Sweden Democrats likely will get into the government, the only question is as what.

I actually think if they win, we may see a Swexit. And they'll get in as a majority, even thought I don't want that.

[Shrillland]

Yes, but they said that in half a dozen other countries, as I've been saying. With the polls showing them virtually tied with the Social Democrats and increasing numbers of alliance members willing to include them as junior partners, the reality is that the Sweden Democrats likely will get into the government, the only question is as what.

I actually think if they win, we may see a Swexit. And they'll get in as a majority, even thought I don't want that.

They won't get in as a majority. The current polls equate to anywhere between 82-92 seats, nowhere near an outright majority. This is why I think an SD-M coalition is one of two mast likely outcomes, the other being some kind of grand coalition between the S bloc and the Alliance. It all depends on who gets the lead.

[Mosleyberg]

SD is a good start. They would be the final nail i the EU's coffin and would stop the flow of illegal migrants

[Frievolk]

What makes socialism as bad as Nazism?

Weren't Nazi's socialists?

Hence National Socialism?

Not this meme again

[The South Falls]

I actually think if they win, we may see a Swexit. And they'll get in as a majority, even thought I don't want that.

They won't get in as a majority. The current polls equate to anywhere between 82-92 seats, nowhere near an outright majority. This is why I think an SD-M coalition is one of two mast likely outcomes, the other being some kind of grand coalition between the S bloc and the Alliance. It all depends on who gets the lead.

Governments have compromised their sanity to be right-wing. I wouldn't think it different here.

[Liriena]

I don't think they exist in sufficient numbers to set up an electorally successful party and single-handedly take over a European or American country's government. But I do think their propagandists are having more influence on young people, specially young men, than we give them credit for. Even if this doesn't translate into a major nazi movement, they are shaping the worldview of thousands, if not millions of people... and what's worse, there's a lot of non-nazis who, either our of ignorance and naïvety or cynical opportunism, are enabling them or helping them spread their propaganda.

The closest thing to a neo-Nazi propaganda influence on youngsters is 4chan, and I'd say that associating them with Nazism is quite the stretch.

As for allowing them too much of a free hand to spread their message, I imagine you wouldn't actually be a fan of true censorship in practice. Since if Western countries actually made a concerted effort to stamp out Neo-Nazism, it would probably entail a general censorship war on radicalism, which evidently would make your own ideological beliefs impossible to propagate without running the risk of being criminally prosecuted.

Oh, I'm not advocating for censorship as a solution.

[Northern Davincia]

Chairman Jezza is Corbyn.

Corbyn will lead the Union of European Socialist Republics and reclaim the Americas for the international proletariat! And he'll rename London C O R B Y N G R A D !

I'm cautiously optimistic about future left-wing victories. A lot of attention has been paid to the rise of the far right, but in doing so, the slow but visible rise of a new left has been widely ignored or glossed over.

There's a clear hunger for a socialist alternative to both the failing neoliberals and the resurgent ethno-nationalists. What you need is political movements ready to help turn that hunger into action and policies.

Starvation and leftism are forever entwined.

[The South Falls]

I'm cautiously optimistic about future left-wing victories. A lot of attention has been paid to the rise of the far right, but in doing so, the slow but visible rise of a new left has been widely ignored or glossed over.

There's a clear hunger for a socialist alternative to both the failing neoliberals and the resurgent ethno-nationalists. What you need is political movements ready to help turn that hunger into action and policies.

Starvation and leftism are forever entwined.

Back to gulag with you, Alexei. 20 years for denouncing Soviet.