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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:46 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
North Arkana wrote:Probably because people don't understand the close cooperation behind an armor-infantry team systematically clearing out a dug in enemy with overwhelming firepower that allows the infantry to close with and destroy the enemy.

Again, every building? We did a few village clears but I can’t see the whole route through a city

Frontage allocation for cities gets weird. You can allocate a couple kilometers for a division in an open field, without much thought for a village or something, but cities are where you start shoving whole brigades into pretty small areas because of the density of terrain and amount of clearance that needs to be done. Fallujah had a division' and change worth of troops shoved into that single area for comprehensive clearance, and that wasn't even against a peer opponent, where the numbers would start climbing if it was decided that taking the city was worth it.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:46 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Attack helicopters are extremely vulnerable to both infantry and aircraft in a way tanks are not. And the power of artillery is often overstated, usually by artillerymen. The way they tell it they control the battlefield all on their lonesome.

Yeah
Jokes aside Mobile Infantry is the main foundation of a modern army. I can see tanks being useful to guard the IFVs, armored cars etc against a similar force
On the scale of wars we’re fighting though, I’d stay a way

I'm sad that noone else caught this.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:47 am

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Hey man I love tanks
I’m just arguing their modern use. It’s not 45 anymore


Dude, the Challenger 2. Hit by 70 RPGs and still functional. 70. I hope your small ambush team has strong backs to hump all those reloads....

Wasn’t that the one where they where making tea during that barrage
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:47 am

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Hurdergaryp wrote:A common statement about artillery is that it's the king of the battlefield. This is incorrect. It would be more correct to speak of artillery as the vengeful god of the battlefield, unleashing its wrath upon its hapless targets as if Ares himself was suffering from explosive diarrhea.

And if anyone ever questions that you just get in an MLRS and make the grid square their house is in cease to exist.

We've come far since the BM-13 Katyusha.

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Postby Purpelia » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:47 am

Genivaria wrote:I'm sad that noone else caught this.

We caught it alright. We just thought it was lame and not worth commenting on.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:48 am

Genivaria wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yeah
Jokes aside Mobile Infantry is the main foundation of a modern army. I can see tanks being useful to guard the IFVs, armored cars etc against a similar force
On the scale of wars we’re fighting though, I’d stay a way

I'm sad that noone else caught this.
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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:48 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Dude, the Challenger 2. Hit by 70 RPGs and still functional. 70. I hope your small ambush team has strong backs to hump all those reloads....

Wasn’t that the one where they where making tea during that barrage

I just know that a Chally 2 was penetrated by an RPG, and the driver lost his foot.

'Cus who'da thunk that a tank designed for long range combat from a hull down position might have a critical problem with its lower glacis?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:50 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:Dude, the Challenger 2. Hit by 70 RPGs and still functional. 70. I hope your small ambush team has strong backs to hump all those reloads....

Wasn’t that the one where they where making tea during that barrage

Probably. Every British tank comes equipped with tea making facilities, after all.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:50 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:A common statement about artillery is that it's the king of the battlefield. This is incorrect. It would be more correct to speak of artillery as the vengeful god of the battlefield, unleashing its wrath upon its hapless targets as if Ares himself was suffering from explosive diarrhea.


And if anyone ever questions that you just get in an MLRS and make the grid square their house is in cease to exist.

And the eight twenty-four bordering squares, just to be sure
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:51 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Dude, the Challenger 2. Hit by 70 RPGs and still functional. 70. I hope your small ambush team has strong backs to hump all those reloads....

Wasn’t that the one where they where making tea during that barrage


No, that was a different one. In the tea drinking instance their optics were damaged and the tank threw a tread hitting a ditch wrong. In that one they were only hit by about 12-15 RPGs and a MILAN anti-tank missile while they had a brew and waited for help.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:52 am

Purpelia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I'm sad that noone else caught this.

We caught it alright. We just thought it was lame and not worth commenting on.

Ouch, that hurt.
But that brings me to my next question, what is ya'll's view on powered exoskeletons?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:53 am

North Arkana wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Wasn’t that the one where they where making tea during that barrage

I just know that a Chally 2 was penetrated by an RPG, and the driver lost his foot.

'Cus who'da thunk that a tank designed for long range combat from a hull down position might have a critical problem with its lower glacis?

The fact that only a single member was maimed instead of killed after a fucking RPG exploded on him is still fucking impressive.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:55 am

Genivaria wrote:
Purpelia wrote:We caught it alright. We just thought it was lame and not worth commenting on.

Ouch, that hurt.
But that brings me to my next question, what is ya'll's view on powered exoskeletons?

Freaking expensive and probably not worth it unless your name starts with 'To' and ends with 'rk' :p
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:55 am

Genivaria wrote:
North Arkana wrote:I just know that a Chally 2 was penetrated by an RPG, and the driver lost his foot.

'Cus who'da thunk that a tank designed for long range combat from a hull down position might have a critical problem with its lower glacis?

The fact that only a single member was maimed instead of killed after a fucking RPG exploded on him is still fucking impressive.


He was fit enough after the hit to withdraw his tank 1.5 miles to the regimental aid post to get it looked at. It was only part of his foot, not the whole thing.

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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:55 am

Genivaria wrote:
North Arkana wrote:I just know that a Chally 2 was penetrated by an RPG, and the driver lost his foot.

'Cus who'da thunk that a tank designed for long range combat from a hull down position might have a critical problem with its lower glacis?

The fact that only a single member was maimed instead of killed after a fucking RPG exploded on him is still fucking impressive.

The interesting thing is that if this was Leo 2, one of the ammo racks (without blowout panels) is in the same general area (more on the right of center) of the tank as where that RPG hit the Chally 2.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:56 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The fact that only a single member was maimed instead of killed after a fucking RPG exploded on him is still fucking impressive.


He was fit enough after the hit to withdraw his tank 1.5 miles to the regimental aid post to get it looked at. It was only part of his foot, not the whole thing.

Twas but a flesh wound!
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:57 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Ouch, that hurt.
But that brings me to my next question, what is ya'll's view on powered exoskeletons?

Freaking expensive and probably not worth it unless your name starts with 'To' and ends with 'rk' :p

I have a dream of marines going into combat wearing hard-suits and helmets that automatically translate anything that is heard.
Don't ruin this for me!
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:58 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The fact that only a single member was maimed instead of killed after a fucking RPG exploded on him is still fucking impressive.


He was fit enough after the hit to withdraw his tank 1.5 miles to the regimental aid post to get it looked at. It was only part of his foot, not the whole thing.

All the while screaming RULE BRITTANIA BITCH!
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:58 am

North Arkana wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Again, every building? We did a few village clears but I can’t see the whole route through a city

Frontage allocation for cities gets weird. You can allocate a couple kilometers for a division in an open field, without much thought for a village or something, but cities are where you start shoving whole brigades into pretty small areas because of the density of terrain and amount of clearance that needs to be done. Fallujah had a division' and change worth of troops shoved into that single area for comprehensive clearance, and that wasn't even against a peer opponent, where the numbers would start climbing if it was decided that taking the city was worth it.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:00 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Ouch, that hurt.
But that brings me to my next question, what is ya'll's view on powered exoskeletons?

Freaking expensive and probably not worth it unless your name starts with 'To' and ends with 'rk' :p

Yeah pretty much
Although if it’s T-45 I’ll fucking re-enlist
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Freaking expensive and probably not worth it unless your name starts with 'To' and ends with 'rk' :p

Yeah pretty much
Although if it’s T-45 I’ll fucking re-enlist

You smell that? Steel, grease, oil, and plasma. *sniiiifff* Smells like America.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Freaking expensive and probably not worth it unless your name starts with 'To' and ends with 'rk' :p

I have a dream of marines going into combat wearing hard-suits and helmets that automatically translate anything that is heard.
Don't ruin this for me!

When you said 'powered exoskeleton' I heard 'powered armor' not 'helmet HUD & high-tech knight's armor' :lol:
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:He was fit enough after the hit to withdraw his tank 1.5 miles to the regimental aid post to get it looked at. It was only part of his foot, not the whole thing.

All the while screaming RULE BRITTANIA BITCH!

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:04 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
He was fit enough after the hit to withdraw his tank 1.5 miles to the regimental aid post to get it looked at. It was only part of his foot, not the whole thing.

All the while screaming RULE BRITTANIA BITCH!

RULE RULE BRITTANIA, BRITTANIA RULES THE BATHTUB!
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Postby North Arkana » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:05 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Genivaria wrote:All the while screaming RULE BRITTANIA BITCH!

RULE RULE BRITTANIA, BRITTANIA RULES THE BATHTUB!

points and giggles at the QE class carriers

65k tonnes with no CATOBAR capability. What even is the Royal Navy.
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