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Favorite intermediate cartridge?

5.56 NATO
126
45%
5.45
16
6%
7.62x39
61
22%
.30 Carbine
20
7%
.30-30 WCF
13
5%
Other
45
16%
 
Total votes : 281

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:58 pm

Kernen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Anyone here know of anything I can use to pull the trigger of a S&W EZ9 without much pain? My fingers hurt a lot due to trigger finger syndrome, but I do enjoy going to the range to target practice.

Get you a firearm that has a lot of aftermarket options. You,
may be able to get a real light trigger pull with an upgraded trigger bar.


Can that be done to my S&W? Or do you have any recommendations for a gun?
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Postby Kernen » Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kernen wrote:Get you a firearm that has a lot of aftermarket options. You,
may be able to get a real light trigger pull with an upgraded trigger bar.


Can that be done to my S&W? Or do you have any recommendations for a gun?

No idea. You gotta do some research. I know you can do it with a Glock, but that's because they need to be upgraded.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:02 pm

Kernen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Can that be done to my S&W? Or do you have any recommendations for a gun?

No idea. You gotta do some research. I know you can do it with a Glock, but that's because they need to be upgraded.


I can always steal Gallo’s for myself and leave him the S&W. 8)

I’ll check then.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:02 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kernen wrote:No idea. You gotta do some research. I know you can do it with a Glock, but that's because they need to be upgraded.


I can always steal Gallo’s for myself and leave him the S&W. 8)

I’ll check then.

Check out a product called a "rocket trigger bar" that may help with draw and reset.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:05 pm

Kernen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I can always steal Gallo’s for myself and leave him the S&W. 8)

I’ll check then.

Check out a product called a "rocket trigger bar" that may help with draw and reset.


Uuhh huh huh! Found one online for the S&W. Thanks.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:44 pm

Well, after spending $400 on AR barrels, only now am I wondering if they came with the necessary barrel-extensions, or whether I'll need to get the locking lug wrench and extensions to finish the headspacing myself.

Either way, doing the rebuilds over "just buy an upper" will save money in the long-run since with those tools, an average bolt-twister can perform some pretty extensive maintenance after shooting out a PSA upper to oblivion.
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The Chuck
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Postby The Chuck » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:18 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, after spending $400 on AR barrels, only now am I wondering if they came with the necessary barrel-extensions, or whether I'll need to get the locking lug wrench and extensions to finish the headspacing myself.

Either way, doing the rebuilds over "just buy an upper" will save money in the long-run since with those tools, an average bolt-twister can perform some pretty extensive maintenance after shooting out a PSA upper to oblivion.


Pacific Tool & Gauge Go/No-gos are decent but not sure if you want to cough up the cash for them
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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:30 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, after spending $400 on AR barrels, only now am I wondering if they came with the necessary barrel-extensions, or whether I'll need to get the locking lug wrench and extensions to finish the headspacing myself.

Either way, doing the rebuilds over "just buy an upper" will save money in the long-run since with those tools, an average bolt-twister can perform some pretty extensive maintenance after shooting out a PSA upper to oblivion.

Chuck is right. Get the go and no go gauges. Most barrels for ARs have the requisite extensions sized correctly, but for peace of mind, get a gauge.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:37 am

The Chuck wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, after spending $400 on AR barrels, only now am I wondering if they came with the necessary barrel-extensions, or whether I'll need to get the locking lug wrench and extensions to finish the headspacing myself.

Either way, doing the rebuilds over "just buy an upper" will save money in the long-run since with those tools, an average bolt-twister can perform some pretty extensive maintenance after shooting out a PSA upper to oblivion.


Pacific Tool & Gauge Go/No-gos are decent but not sure if you want to cough up the cash for them

Forster and Clymer are pretty reasonable in price.

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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:36 am

For a little less a gunsmith will just check for you
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Postby The Apollonian Systems » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:06 am

So what in your guy’s opinions is the best “entry level”/first time 1911 would be?

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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:09 am

The Apollonian Systems wrote:So what in your guy’s opinions is the best “entry level”/first time 1911 would be?

Are you looking for a collection piece, a carry piece, or a range toy? Are you going budget or not? Is this your first pistol or just your first 1911?
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Postby The Apollonian Systems » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:33 am

Kernen wrote:
The Apollonian Systems wrote:So what in your guy’s opinions is the best “entry level”/first time 1911 would be?

Are you looking for a collection piece, a carry piece, or a range toy? Are you going budget or not? Is this your first pistol or just your first 1911?

primarily for range primarily for the range and it would be my first 1911 but not my first handgun.

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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:36 am

The Apollonian Systems wrote:
Kernen wrote:Are you looking for a collection piece, a carry piece, or a range toy? Are you going budget or not? Is this your first pistol or just your first 1911?

primarily for range primarily for the range and it would be my first 1911 but not my first handgun.

Colt is a good bare bones start point. Kimber has some flare to it if you want that. You'll spend more than a single stack 45 is worth but you'll have The Vibe.
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Postby Juansonia » Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:52 pm

Kernen wrote:
The Apollonian Systems wrote:primarily for range primarily for the range and it would be my first 1911 but not my first handgun.
Colt is a good bare bones start point. Kimber has some flare to it if you want that. You'll spend more than a single stack 45 is worth but you'll have The Vibe.
Isn't Kimber famous for bad magazine reliability?
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:15 pm

Kernen wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, after spending $400 on AR barrels, only now am I wondering if they came with the necessary barrel-extensions, or whether I'll need to get the locking lug wrench and extensions to finish the headspacing myself.

Either way, doing the rebuilds over "just buy an upper" will save money in the long-run since with those tools, an average bolt-twister can perform some pretty extensive maintenance after shooting out a PSA upper to oblivion.

Chuck is right. Get the go and no go gauges. Most barrels for ARs have the requisite extensions sized correctly, but for peace of mind, get a gauge.

Oh, I already have that.

I am just quietly worried that I purchased barrels and the locking lugs weren't included.
-The barrel extension is in fact a separate part that is screwed on, torqued to up to 150 ft-lbs, and pinned.

Which'd mean I get the joys of wrenching an additional thing on.
Last edited by Hurtful Thoughts on Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:28 pm, edited 4 times in total.
Factbook and general referance thread.
HOI <- Storefront (WiP)
Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Kernen » Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:27 pm

Juansonia wrote:
Kernen wrote:Colt is a good bare bones start point. Kimber has some flare to it if you want that. You'll spend more than a single stack 45 is worth but you'll have The Vibe.
Isn't Kimber famous for bad magazine reliability?


Ain't great but it's not a carry weapon.
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Postby The Chuck » Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:33 am

Wilson Combat mags/pistol. Break the bank for the Almighty 45
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Postby The Apollonian Systems » Tue Mar 12, 2024 1:43 pm

The Chuck wrote:Wilson Combat mags/pistol. Break the bank for the Almighty 45

But I like my bank account not being broke

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:57 pm

Well, rebarrelling was a journey.

The good part was that the barrels came with barrel extensions and headspace was good with the bolts I already had.

The bad starts with the fact that the wrench I had was for a castle-nut, and not a barrel-nut.

So one trip to the store later, then box-vising the receiver later with a harbor-freight torque-wrench later, and the 16" pencil was replaced with a lightweight 20" at 50 ft-lbs, quad rail gas-block, and green handgaurds for that quasi C7A2 vibe.

Granted, I could've "just bought an upper" for $440, and this whole project has racked up to $700, I also have tools, a spare barre,l and a spare receiver to play with out of the deal.

'course I haven't quite pinned the gas-tube yet, but it's already in there pretty snug.
Last edited by Hurtful Thoughts on Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:00 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Factbook and general referance thread.
HOI <- Storefront (WiP)
Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Mar 14, 2024 7:58 am

When the nagging works and you get your spouse to agree to finally get you that pink AR15. :D
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Postby The Chuck » Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:23 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, rebarrelling was a journey.

The good part was that the barrels came with barrel extensions and headspace was good with the bolts I already had.

The bad starts with the fact that the wrench I had was for a castle-nut, and not a barrel-nut.

So one trip to the store later, then box-vising the receiver later with a harbor-freight torque-wrench later, and the 16" pencil was replaced with a lightweight 20" at 50 ft-lbs, quad rail gas-block, and green handgaurds for that quasi C7A2 vibe.

Granted, I could've "just bought an upper" for $440, and this whole project has racked up to $700, I also have tools, a spare barre,l and a spare receiver to play with out of the deal.

'course I haven't quite pinned the gas-tube yet, but it's already in there pretty snug.


Buying a barrel machined down to fit my Woo for $550... Then I need to take it to a gunsmith with a press to remove the press fit barrel or get a torch and be ready for one hot afternoon of receiver heating. Not including punching out the gas block pins and changing that out... :V
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Postby Cerespasia » Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:29 am

How does the idea of a possible love child between an AK and an AR-18 sound like? (it's basically a short-stroke gas piston driven kalash).
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Postby Kernen » Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:48 am

Cerespasia wrote:How does the idea of a possible love child between an AK and an AR-18 sound like? (it's basically a short-stroke gas piston driven kalash).

You'd have an expensive weapon with none of the reliability but all the manual of arms of an AK.

Long stroke pistons are stupid easy to build. Changing that detracts from the point of an AK: cheap and rugged under the shit tolerances of comblock manufacturing.

If you want a short stroke rifle, you'd be well served getting one of the many on the market. JAKL, SCAR, MCX, Bren...you got options. If you want a AK, you have options. If you want a long stroke not ak you have some options, like an X95 or I think galils.

Operstion method is going to buy you little difference at the shooter's level. Di is smoother than SS is smoother than LS, but you have so many variations that affect shooter felt recoil that you're better off looking at other features you need to consider and considering competing operating systems later.
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Postby The Apollonian Systems » Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:01 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Well, rebarrelling was a journey.

The good part was that the barrels came with barrel extensions and headspace was good with the bolts I already had.

The bad starts with the fact that the wrench I had was for a castle-nut, and not a barrel-nut.

So one trip to the store later, then box-vising the receiver later with a harbor-freight torque-wrench later, and the 16" pencil was replaced with a lightweight 20" at 50 ft-lbs, quad rail gas-block, and green handgaurds for that quasi C7A2 vibe.

Granted, I could've "just bought an upper" for $440, and this whole project has racked up to $700, I also have tools, a spare barre,l and a spare receiver to play with out of the deal.

'course I haven't quite pinned the gas-tube yet, but it's already in there pretty snug.


Buying a barrel machined down to fit my Woo for $550... Then I need to take it to a gunsmith with a press to remove the press fit barrel or get a torch and be ready for one hot afternoon of receiver heating. Not including punching out the gas block pins and changing that out... :V

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