Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[Shrillland]

Just because they're not necessary doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a matter of freedom of expression and freedom of religion being infringed on.

Freedom of expression, yes it violates that.
Freedom of religion, no it does not.

They are indeed a barrier to socialising in the West.

No one disputes that they are a barrier, or at least are seen as one. Nonetheless, even without freedom of religion, freedom of expression is still important and should be preserved.

[Vassenor]

So do we judge Christianity based on those African nations where homosexuals are routinely lynched?

The difference here is that African nations aren’t doing what their bible says. The Middle East is.
Also please show me the Bible verse that commands the Lynching of homosexuals.

Show us where the Qu'ran commands a man to rape his daughter.

[Thermodolia]

Freedom of expression, yes it violates that.
Freedom of religion, no it does not.

They are indeed a barrier to socialising in the West.

who cares. if they want to be apart then let them. who are you to force them to do what they don't want to do.

Then they can get the hell out. I’m not going to have an entire self segregated population in my nation.

[Thermodolia]

It's child abuse to force a child to sit through a lesson on how they are evil or inferior. Freedom of expression does not cover child abuse. Clergy who preach prejudice are child abusers, it's pretty simple to justify.

It would solve the problems by forcing assimilation.

Religious education should also shift away from merely allowing religions to assert their beliefs to children and include criticism of those assertions.

i'd rather leave a state then be forced to assimilate into it.

Hopefully they do to

[Ostroeuropa]

It's child abuse to force a child to sit through a lesson on how they are evil or inferior. Freedom of expression does not cover child abuse. Clergy who preach prejudice are child abusers, it's pretty simple to justify.

It would solve the problems by forcing assimilation.

Religious education should also shift away from merely allowing religions to assert their beliefs to children and include criticism of those assertions.

i'd rather leave a state then be forced to assimilate into it.

That's also acceptable.

[Uxupox]

The difference here is that African nations aren’t doing what their bible says. The Middle East is.
Also please show me the Bible verse that commands the Lynching of homosexuals.

Show us where the Qu'ran commands a man to rape his daughter.

i dunno anything about his daughter but i do know something about enslavement of the enemy.

who cares. if they want to be apart then let them. who are you to force them to do what they don't want to do.

Then they can get the hell out. I’m not going to have an entire self segregated population in my nation.

we already do have them. they are called the indian nations.

[Geneviev]

That would be taking freedom of expression and religion. It would reduce tensions and not solve any of the problems.

It's child abuse to force a child to sit through a lesson on how they are evil or inferior. Freedom of expression does not cover child abuse. Clergy who preach prejudice are child abusers, it's pretty simple to justify.

It would solve the problems by forcing assimilation.

Religious education should also shift away from merely allowing religions to assert their beliefs to children and include criticism of those assertions.

It would not solve the problems. It would only conceal them. The best solution would be to teach that differences are a good thing instead of something to hide.

It is not good, perhaps, but it is permitted with freedom of expression unless it causes the child to be harmed.

[Cekoviu]

I can understand the secular reasons for banning such veils (they can easily conceal one's identity to commit a crime), but I'm kind of conflicted on this.

[Uxupox]

i'd rather leave a state then be forced to assimilate into it.

That's also acceptable.

i'd rather leave a state then be forced to assimilate into it.

Hopefully they do to

that's harsh.

but i'll try to take a lot of people with me as well :^)

[Gharrow]

It's child abuse to force a child to sit through a lesson on how they are evil or inferior. Freedom of expression does not cover child abuse. Clergy who preach prejudice are child abusers, it's pretty simple to justify.

It would solve the problems by forcing assimilation.

Religious education should also shift away from merely allowing religions to assert their beliefs to children and include criticism of those assertions.

i'd rather leave a state then be forced to assimilate into it.

Then let them leave.

Maybe with a little "encouragement".

[Cekoviu]

Denmark is a Christian nation and it has every right to defend its religion and culture. If Muslims want to immigrate to Denmark they must accept Danish laws.

You feel the same way about Christian immigrants to Saudi Arabia?

[Xadufell]

This.
They are a barrier to socialising and not necessary in Islam.

Just because they're not necessary doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a matter of freedom of expression and freedom of religion being infringed on.

It's hard to have freedom of expression when you can't see their expression.

[Thermodolia]

Show us where the Qu'ran commands a man to rape his daughter.

i dunno anything about his daughter but i do know something about enslavement of the enemy.

Then they can get the hell out. I’m not going to have an entire self segregated population in my nation.

we already do have them. they are called the indian nations.

I’ve made my opinions on that know.

They shouldn’t exist.

[Benuty]

Good. And while there at it they should ban other religious garments from the public sphere

The last thing northern Europe needs is cancerous French thinking.

[Gharrow]

It's child abuse to force a child to sit through a lesson on how they are evil or inferior. Freedom of expression does not cover child abuse. Clergy who preach prejudice are child abusers, it's pretty simple to justify.

It would solve the problems by forcing assimilation.

Religious education should also shift away from merely allowing religions to assert their beliefs to children and include criticism of those assertions.

It would not solve the problems. It would only conceal them. The best solution would be to teach that differences are a good thing instead of something to hide.

It is not good, perhaps, but it is permitted with freedom of expression unless it causes the child to be harmed.

Differences are not a good thing, they are the reason terrorist attacks and violence in general occur. Differences within a society lead to a divided society and then to a broken society warring with itself.

[Xadufell]

Erm.....there are plenty of places in Europe where Muslims are the majority

That can be fixed.

Wat

[Geneviev]

Just because they're not necessary doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a matter of freedom of expression and freedom of religion being infringed on.

It's hard to have freedom of expression when you can't see their expression.

They should have the freedom to cover their expression.

[Cekoviu]

Good. And while there at it they should ban other religious garments from the public sphere

The last thing northern Europe needs is cancerous french thinking.

The last thing any country needs is cancerous French thinking, tbh.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's child abuse to force a child to sit through a lesson on how they are evil or inferior. Freedom of expression does not cover child abuse. Clergy who preach prejudice are child abusers, it's pretty simple to justify.

It would solve the problems by forcing assimilation.

Religious education should also shift away from merely allowing religions to assert their beliefs to children and include criticism of those assertions.

It would not solve the problems. It would only conceal them. The best solution would be to teach that differences are a good thing instead of something to hide.

It is not good, perhaps, but it is permitted with freedom of expression unless it causes the child to be harmed.

Differences are not necessarily a good thing if they permit worse behaviors and mindsets, there, the differences should be confronted and eliminated. One person thinking it is their right to mutilate children is not a difference we can or should tolerate. A culture of them doing so likewise, and is something to crack down on.
I disagree that it would not solve the problems, because we'd only be targeting the problematic aspects of these cultures, things that should be banned, as well as pressuring for assimilation through banning faith schools and so on. Multiculturalism already merely conceals the problems (poorly.)

I don't much care about freedom of expression in these contexts.

[Thermodolia]

Denmark is a Christian nation and it has every right to defend its religion and culture. If Muslims want to immigrate to Denmark they must accept Danish laws.

You feel the same way about Christian immigrants to Saudi Arabia?

I would.

Though I’d highly advise against anyone from the US immigrating to or visiting SA

[Geneviev]

It would not solve the problems. It would only conceal them. The best solution would be to teach that differences are a good thing instead of something to hide.

It is not good, perhaps, but it is permitted with freedom of expression unless it causes the child to be harmed.

Differences are not a good thing, they are the reason terrorist attacks and violence in general occur. Differences within a society lead to a divided society and then to a broken society warring with itself.

These problems are not caused by differences, they are caused by the idea that differences are somehow a bad thing.

[Cekoviu]

It would not solve the problems. It would only conceal them. The best solution would be to teach that differences are a good thing instead of something to hide.

It is not good, perhaps, but it is permitted with freedom of expression unless it causes the child to be harmed.

Differences are not a good thing, they are the reason terrorist attacks and violence in general occur. Differences within a society lead to a divided society and then to a broken society warring with itself.

Here's the thing: every individual is different. Unless you want to make the entire citizenry of a country mindless, brainwashed robots, you can't really dislike differences.

[Uxupox]

i dunno anything about his daughter but i do know something about enslavement of the enemy.



we already do have them. they are called the indian nations.

I’ve made my opinions on that know.

They shouldn’t exist.

thankfully we have our bill of rights.

[The Parkus Empire]

Seems kinda petty and stupid. If you don't want Muslims, don't let them in. Don't let them in and then shit on their faith after the fact

[Thermodolia]

Good. And while there at it they should ban other religious garments from the public sphere

The last thing northern Europe needs is cancerous french thinking.

French thinking is best thinking