California to Vote on Splitting in Three in November

[Shofercia]

He claims to be a Jack Kemp Republican, didn't come off as an asshole in the debates, and Democrats can't find anything bad to say against him. During the debates he was on point, asking why Californians should foot medical bills of illegal immigrant felons, asking why building roads in California is four times as expensive as in Texas, asking why prison dentists earn $800,000 per year, and so on...

Are you kidding. Look him up at the ontheissues site. Hard core religion and plenty to use against him. Seriously; respect people but dont sanction gay behavior? Unborn rights?....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californi ... on_8_(2008)

It passed. Californians aren't as Liberal as Democrats think.

Are you kidding. Look him up at the ontheissues site. Hard core religion and plenty to use against him. Seriously; respect people but dont sanction gay behavior?

So?

Unborn rights?....

That's bad because...

He's talking about the people's reactions, rather than debating the issue. We're both talking about the election. If you want to talk about abortion, there's a thread for that.

[Shofercia]

Where you live gives insight to your views. Californians are weird about many things. His hard core views on religion will be off putting to many. Especially in the areas of abortion and lgbt.

Not going to bring in Newsom simply because Cox is the subject so what I see with Cox not going to win.

He is a transplant and I get the impression he doesn't grasp a few things on how they work. Housing for example. We need more. Cox is against rent control and that's in place in a few areas. The question of it being valid is not a topic of debate for the elections. He has to have solutions else loose those voters. Cox doesn't want to force local goverments to accept more housing. The problem with that is we have some of the biggest NIMBY groups around. He needs stronger, clearer views on fixing housing

On education, Cox doesn't seem to have much. His improvements seem to the more charters and the cliche of bring competition to education. Not going to go well as many people are already annoyed we teach to the test now. He will need a road map and a recognizable vision for public schools.

On criminal justice issues, Cox is highly critical of sanctuary state laws which limit cooperation with ICE. ICE has a bad name here. There is talk of bail reform. Cox is against that. Cox thinks on the matters of police shootings, the police can handle the investigations.

Cox is also a big donnie supporter. Many don't like donnie. Let's not overlook we seem to like democrats these days.

Granted these are quick comments mainly to answer and give you an idea as to why Cox is not a shoe in.

This is a tangent to the thread though I believe.....

It's on topic, since the thread's about Californian Election, and we're talking about who California's Electing. Also, (this isn't directed at you,) but I want to clarify for everyone else who'll respond to our debate: we're talking about how Californian Registered Voters, (be they Democrat, Independent, Republican, or any of the other seven official parties,) will respond to the Newsom-Cox Election, rather than the issues themselves.

With that said, here we go:

He is a transplant and I get the impression he doesn't grasp a few things on how they work. Housing for example. We need more. Cox is against rent control and that's in place in a few areas. The question of it being valid is not a topic of debate for the elections. He has to have solutions else loose those voters. Cox doesn't want to force local goverments to accept more housing. The problem with that is we have some of the biggest NIMBY groups around. He needs stronger, clearer views on fixing housing

Quite a few people I know are terrified by more housing. A lot of Californians have their savings invested in their home, that's half to two-thirds of our retirement funds. (Our as in Californian Registered Voters.) Building more, if done improperly, decreases housing values, and screws over said retirement porfolios as a result.

On education, Cox doesn't seem to have much. His improvements seem to the more charters and the cliche of bring competition to education. Not going to go well as many people are already annoyed we teach to the test now. He will need a road map and a recognizable vision for public schools.

Agreed, but he's supporting Charter Schools, which is a benefit. Of course he needs more than "I support Charter Schools, corruption bad!"

On criminal justice issues, Cox is highly critical of sanctuary state laws which limit cooperation with ICE. ICE has a bad name here. There is talk of bail reform. Cox is against that. Cox thinks on the matters of police shootings, the police can handle the investigations.

Yes and no. There's a lot of anger here over the Murder of Steinle, (unless you're in the very hippie parts of California,) whereas Dreamers are loved. If Cox can fine tune his message to include cooperation with ICE only when it comes to illegal alien felons, (something LA County used to do before Trump care to power,) he can find common ground with most Californians.

Cox is also a big donnie supporter. Many don't like donnie. Let's not overlook we seem to like democrats these days.

He is? I thought he didn't vote for Trump. Are you confusing him with Allen? Yeah, Trump's hated here by almost everyone, after he declared war on our Pot Economy over illegal aliens - fucker.

[San Lumen]

Where you live gives insight to your views. Californians are weird about many things. His hard core views on religion will be off putting to many. Especially in the areas of abortion and lgbt.

Not going to bring in Newsom simply because Cox is the subject so what I see with Cox not going to win.

He is a transplant and I get the impression he doesn't grasp a few things on how they work. Housing for example. We need more. Cox is against rent control and that's in place in a few areas. The question of it being valid is not a topic of debate for the elections. He has to have solutions else loose those voters. Cox doesn't want to force local goverments to accept more housing. The problem with that is we have some of the biggest NIMBY groups around. He needs stronger, clearer views on fixing housing

On education, Cox doesn't seem to have much. His improvements seem to the more charters and the cliche of bring competition to education. Not going to go well as many people are already annoyed we teach to the test now. He will need a road map and a recognizable vision for public schools.

On criminal justice issues, Cox is highly critical of sanctuary state laws which limit cooperation with ICE. ICE has a bad name here. There is talk of bail reform. Cox is against that. Cox thinks on the matters of police shootings, the police can handle the investigations.

Cox is also a big donnie supporter. Many don't like donnie. Let's not overlook we seem to like democrats these days.

Granted these are quick comments mainly to answer and give you an idea as to why Cox is not a shoe in.

This is a tangent to the thread though I believe.....

It's on topic, since the thread's about Californian Election, and we're talking about who California's Electing. Also, (this isn't directed at you,) but I want to clarify for everyone else who'll respond to our debate: we're talking about how Californian Registered Voters, (be they Democrat, Independent, Republican, or any of the other seven official parties,) will respond to the Newsom-Cox Election, rather than the issues themselves.

With that said, here we go:

He is a transplant and I get the impression he doesn't grasp a few things on how they work. Housing for example. We need more. Cox is against rent control and that's in place in a few areas. The question of it being valid is not a topic of debate for the elections. He has to have solutions else loose those voters. Cox doesn't want to force local goverments to accept more housing. The problem with that is we have some of the biggest NIMBY groups around. He needs stronger, clearer views on fixing housing

Quite a few people I know are terrified by more housing. A lot of Californians have their savings invested in their home, that's half to two-thirds of our retirement funds. (Our as in Californian Registered Voters.) Building more, if done improperly, decreases housing values, and screws over said retirement porfolios as a result.

On education, Cox doesn't seem to have much. His improvements seem to the more charters and the cliche of bring competition to education. Not going to go well as many people are already annoyed we teach to the test now. He will need a road map and a recognizable vision for public schools.

Agreed, but he's supporting Charter Schools, which is a benefit. Of course he needs more than "I support Charter Schools, corruption bad!"

On criminal justice issues, Cox is highly critical of sanctuary state laws which limit cooperation with ICE. ICE has a bad name here. There is talk of bail reform. Cox is against that. Cox thinks on the matters of police shootings, the police can handle the investigations.

Yes and no. There's a lot of anger here over the Murder of Steinle, (unless you're in the very hippie parts of California,) whereas Dreamers are loved. If Cox can fine tune his message to include cooperation with ICE only when it comes to illegal alien felons, (something LA County used to do before Trump care to power,) he can find common ground with most Californians.

Cox is also a big donnie supporter. Many don't like donnie. Let's not overlook we seem to like democrats these days.

He is? I thought he didn't vote for Trump. Are you confusing him with Allen? Yeah, Trump's hated here by almost everyone, after he declared war on our Pot Economy over illegal aliens - fucker.

This thread is not about the Governor election.

[Shofercia]

I'm actually quite surprised this made it onto the ballot. Really don't expect a "yes" vote come November, but fuck man, crazier things have happened. Still very unlikely, of course, and if somehow Californians voted yes, how the hell would the federal government even go about splitting up the state? I don't know if they could or would.

We deliberately make it easy for things to get onto the ballot.

California is my birth state, I don't know who to side with right now. What are the pro's and con's of the split?

Con of the split: California gets more fucked up. Vote no.

Fundamentally a good idea, though I disagree with the proposed borders.

What borders would you propose?

This is just, wow. 600000 signatures?!? How can these Silicon Valley people get the sigs needed? Seems impossible!

It's not that difficult with a population of 40 million.

Or New York, Illinois or Maryland? Where does it end?

Let's do it!

That map's hilarious!

[Shofercia]

This thread is not about the Governor election.

So we're supposed to have a thread about every type of Election in California? Does the Treasurer's Election get its own thread too?

[San Lumen]

This thread is not about the Governor election.

So we're supposed to have a thread about every type of Election in California? Does the Treasurer's Election get its own thread too?

We have a midterm thread. You can talk about that there.

[Shofercia]

So we're supposed to have a thread about every type of Election in California? Does the Treasurer's Election get its own thread too?

We have a midterm thread. You can talk about that there.

And California's Propositions? Dude, it's an Election in California thread. We're talking about Election in California. Stop being so damn pedantic.

[Khataiy]

That's crazy

[San Lumen]

We have a midterm thread. You can talk about that there.

And California's Propositions? Dude, it's an Election in California thread. We're talking about Election in California. Stop being so damn pedantic.

It deserves its own thread because it involves the potential breakup of the largest state in the union.

[San Lumen]

That's crazy

Fortunately it extremely unlikely to pass but I take no election for granted anymore.

[Khataiy]

That's crazy

Fortunately it extremely unlikely to pass but I take no election for granted anymore.

I don't see it happening, I could be wrong though.

[Shofercia]

And California's Propositions? Dude, it's an Election in California thread. We're talking about Election in California. Stop being so damn pedantic.

It deserves its own thread because it involves the potential breakup of the largest state in the union.

It's one of the Propositions on the California Election Ballot, and we're talking about the very same ballot, a Proposition, which has no chance of passing. The intent of this thread was "lol Cali" when talking about elections, and now it's "lol Cali elections" when talking about elections. Not that big a difference.

[San Lumen]

Fortunately it extremely unlikely to pass but I take no election for granted anymore.

I don't see it happening, I could be wrong though.

Its extremely unlikely but stranger things have happened.

[Khataiy]

I don't see it happening, I could be wrong though.

Its extremely unlikely but stranger things have happened.

Yeah, at times reality is stranger than fiction

[San Lumen]

Its extremely unlikely but stranger things have happened.

Yeah, at times reality is stranger than fiction

It sure is.

Even if it passed the state legislature would never approve it. But I see no path to victory. The populated coast will never support it. The rural parts of the state simply dont have enough votes.

[Pelasgea]

Yes! Continue to override the popular vote and will of the people! We hate democracy! Stupid libtard cucks don't understand that direct democracy is actually evil and oligarchy is the ultimate good.

[Ameriganastan]

Can't they just wait for that big earthquake everyone is always saying will come to come? That'll probably split them into three sections without having to vote on anything.

[Khataiy]

Yeah, at times reality is stranger than fiction

It sure is.

Even if it passed the state legislature would never approve it. But I see no path to victory. The populated coast will never support it. The rural parts of the state simply dont have enough votes.

I personally am against it because it would be total border gore and the extra stars on the flag would look odd :/

[Reploid Productions]

Yeah, at times reality is stranger than fiction

It sure is.

Even if it passed the state legislature would never approve it. But I see no path to victory. The populated coast will never support it. The rural parts of the state simply dont have enough votes.

To my understanding, even the rural areas don't support any form of "split the state" plans with any majority either. If nothing else, the agricultural areas grasp the idea far better than the coast that it would make the water distribution situation that they're already unhappy about even more of a clusterfuck since instead of dealing with one state water board they'd have to deal with multiple states' bureaucracies.

[Kyrusia]

Yes! Continue to override the popular vote and will of the people! We hate democracy! Stupid libtard cucks don't understand that direct democracy is actually evil and oligarchy is the ultimate good.

Pelasgea: *** Warning for trolling (political nicknaming). *** The strikeout doesn't change that. Appraise yourself of the rules.

[The Corparation]

This is just, wow. 600000 signatures?!? How can these Silicon Valley people get the sigs needed? Seems impossible!

It's not that difficult with a population of 40 million.

Also it's not that difficult to get someone to sign when you've already snagged a person with a clipboard worth of petitions after sweet talking them about how we need to save puppies oh and also sign all of these other things while you have the clipboard.

Yeah, at times reality is stranger than fiction

It sure is.

Even if it passed the state legislature would never approve it. But I see no path to victory. The populated coast will never support it. The rural parts of the state simply dont have enough votes.

You also need Congressional Approval which this would never get.

[Khataiy]

It's not that difficult with a population of 40 million.

Also it's not that difficult to get someone to sign when you've already snagged a person with a clipboard worth of petitions after sweet talking them about how we need to save puppies oh and also sign all of these other things while you have the clipboard.

It sure is.

Even if it passed the state legislature would never approve it. But I see no path to victory. The populated coast will never support it. The rural parts of the state simply dont have enough votes.

You also need Congressional Approval which this would never get.

Why wouldn't it, you sound pretty certain

[Democracy of California]

Splitting California up shouldn't happen and won't happen.

[Khataiy]

Splitting California up shouldn't happen and won't happen.

It'd be interesting to see it happen though, can't deny that

[The Corparation]

You also need Congressional Approval which this would never get.

Why wouldn't it, you sound pretty certain

Because neither party in Congress wants to split up the state. Neither side wants to give the other more senators nor go through the headache that would be splitting up current federal programs that happen in the state into 3 pieces.