Left Wing Discussion Thread IV: Oh Hai Marx

[United Muscovite Nations]

Oh, bullshit. The Revolutionary war was against an already democratic government, for one. The armies on both sides employed conscription. Records of civilian deaths were also pretty poor back then, so I'll need a source on the few civilian deaths.

It wasn't democratic for them, they paid taxes and yet had no vote. Fair enough, I didn't know they employed conscription. Still, as far as revolutions go, it could've been a whole lot worse than conscription.

People living in US territories don't vote for legislators, but they still have to pay federal taxes.

[Jelmatt]

Oh, bullshit. The Revolutionary war was against an already democratic government, for one. The armies on both sides employed conscription. Records of civilian deaths were also pretty poor back then, so I'll need a source on the few civilian deaths.

It wasn't democratic for them, they paid taxes and yet had no vote. Fair enough, I didn't know they employed conscription. Still, as far as revolutions go, it could've been a whole lot worse than conscription.

My point is that they weren't exactly changing the structure of society; the Enlightenment was in large part a criticism of traditional forms of government like absolute monarchy, which the colonists never suffered under and didn't rebel against. Not only that, it was still a revolution. It was still political violence. So there are cases where you evidently consider political revolution and even violence acceptable.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It wasn't democratic for them, they paid taxes and yet had no vote. Fair enough, I didn't know they employed conscription. Still, as far as revolutions go, it could've been a whole lot worse than conscription.

People living in US territories don't vote for legislators, but they still have to pay federal taxes.

Well then that arrangement should change.

[Mujahidah]

e: and shia nationalism

How about no?

[MERIZoC]

e: and shia nationalism

How about no?

Inshallah we will make the Shia crescent a reality

[Mujahidah]

How about no?

Inshallah we will make the Shia crescent a reality

How about no?

[MERIZoC]

Inshallah we will make the Shia crescent a reality

How about no?

suit yourself

[Collatis]

If you can’t see that OEP is a fascist, I have no idea what you’re looking at. It’s like....blatantly obvious.

Horseshoe theory makes it blatantly obvious that you’re the fascist.

[Albrenia]

It wasn't democratic for them, they paid taxes and yet had no vote. Fair enough, I didn't know they employed conscription. Still, as far as revolutions go, it could've been a whole lot worse than conscription.

People living in US territories don't vote for legislators, but they still have to pay federal taxes.

You'd think the US of all places would not approve of that sort of thing.

[Collatis]

People living in US territories don’t vote for legislators, but they still have to pay federal taxes.

You’d think the US of all places would not approve of that sort of thing.

DC is also stuck in an unrepresentative limbo, in which it receives no actual representation in Congress and doesn’t have home rule.

[MERIZoC]

It wasn't democratic for them, they paid taxes and yet had no vote. Fair enough, I didn't know they employed conscription. Still, as far as revolutions go, it could've been a whole lot worse than conscription.

People living in US territories don't vote for legislators, but they still have to pay federal taxes.

My parents (and many like them) were in the same situation when they lived in America. The irony was not lost on us

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If you can’t see that OEP is a fascist, I have no idea what you’re looking at. It’s like....blatantly obvious.

Horseshoe theory makes it blatantly obvious that you’re the fascist.

This but unironically.

[Ostroeuropa]

Off the top of my head....

Cekoviu (socdem), West Oros(demsoc), Dumb Ideologies (socdem)

Aillyria, Ostroeuropa, Oil Exporting Peoples (revolutionary syndicalists)

Democratic Communist Federation and Trotskyvania (revolutionary communists)

OEP is a straight fascist lol. Ostro's main kick is antifeminism.

But ya those three aren't really "quite a few"

There's more for me to contribute on the subject of feminism than there is on syndicalism, but i've previously espoused and covnerted one or two there.

[Reikoku]

How is OEP a fascist?

He calls himself a "national syndicalist," and has a quote from Julius Evola in his signature?

[Cekoviu]

If you can’t see that OEP is a fascist, I have no idea what you’re looking at. It’s like....blatantly obvious.

Horseshoe theory makes it blatantly obvious that you’re the fascist.

Stick a :^) on there or we might think you're serious.

[Liriena]

Liriena...are those skeptics you recommending left wing and do they only dismantle right wing youtubers. Do they target any left wing/SJW ones?

I don't recall specifically recommending skeptics to you... but if you're asking about the youtubers I like, yes, they are all left-wing and they tend to focus on dismantling right-wing and far right arguments. Shaun, Hbomberguy and Contrapoints specifically are my favourites, although all three have very different styles and repertoires. Shaun is a lot drier and grounded in tone (and his videos are pretty simple in terms of presentation, without any elaborate skits and mostly using source videos and still images on screen over his commentary), and emphasizes hard data analysis. Hbomberguy mixes it up a bit, some of his content being similar in style to Shaun's (namely, his videos analysing specific TV shows and video games) while other includes more elaborate stuff like comedic skits. Contrapoints is the most artistic and philosophical, her videos being more like short art films and semi-satirical essays with pretty good production values.

One youtuber who is more of a skeptic than anything else is Essence of Thought. They mostly do in-depth critique of religion (usually Christianity and Islam), but now and then also do vids critiquing certain feminist authors and talking about LGBT+ issues (they are LGBT+ themselves).

Libertarian Socialist Rants is good too, although he hasn't been producing as much content lately.

[Questers]

>only reading your own position

[Questers]

as mr hitchens said (but not about liriena): "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."

Its always important to read sources and thinkers who are very against your position.

[Liriena]

as mr hitchens said (but not about liriena): "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."

Its always important to read sources and thinkers who are very against your position.

Been there, done that, my position remains unchanged. Kudos to me. :3

Also, as someone who used to idolize Hitchens, I'd appreciate it if we stopped idolizing him.

[Mujahidah]

as mr hitchens said (but not about liriena): "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."

Its always important to read sources and thinkers who are very against your position.

Been there, done that, my position remains unchanged. Kudos to me. :3

Also, as someone who used to idolize Hitchens, I'd appreciate it if we stopped idolizing him.

I doubt a self-described "traditionalist" and "toxic masculinist" is idolizing Hitchens.

[Questers]

as mr hitchens said (but not about liriena): "You give me the awful impression, I hate to have to say it, of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position ever."

Its always important to read sources and thinkers who are very against your position.

Been there, done that, my position remains unchanged. Kudos to me. :3

Also, as someone who used to idolize Hitchens, I'd appreciate it if we stopped idolizing him.

But why stop?

Im not idolising him. He has flaws and good points too.

[Liriena]

Been there, done that, my position remains unchanged. Kudos to me. :3

Also, as someone who used to idolize Hitchens, I'd appreciate it if we stopped idolizing him.

I doubt a self-described "traditionalist" and "toxic masculinist" is idolizing Hitchens.

I've seen weirder.

[Questers]

Like sometimes I read sjw editorials on the grauniad. It makes me angry and confused but I still read them. Its always important to digest other opinions.

[Liriena]

Like sometimes I read sjw editorials on the grauniad. It makes me angry and confused but I still read them. Its always important to digest other opinions.

Indeed. Which is why I still read stuff like La Nación, the conservative newspaper of my region. Their hot takes are the living embodiment of traditionalist stuffiness, but I read them anyway. (Though I've long since learned to avoid their comments section like the plague)

Heck, I even read that amazing op-ed some guy wrote in which he unironically argued that the First Order were the true heroes of The Force Awakens.

[Proctopeo]

Since we're talking skeptics, anyone interested in hearing about the only two I actually watch (and only one consistently)?