17 dead in Parkland Florida high school shooting

[Grinning Dragon]

sigh. You keep using this phrase and I don't think you know what it means and attributing that phrase to this event shows you don't understand it.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." I know my Tom Jefferson, dude.

(Bloody fun fact: If you Google "tree of liberty quote", the first thing that comes up is a HuffPo article featuring some schmuck brandishing a gun and that quote to a town hall meeting where Obama was present. Hilarious. Fucking hilarious. Heh. Heh heh.)

Ok you've established that you know "of" the phrase. Tell me how that phrase is at all in any way relevant to a shooting/murder, which has nothing to do with preserving freedom from tyrants?

[Fartsniffage]

How do you know? We know almost nothing about what happened yet.

Shooter had an a gun. Guns would not have been banned after Sandy. Wide spread confiscations would not have happened after Sandy. The major thing that’s came after Sandy was feel good legislation targeting guns based on cosmetics.

So your argument is that no one proposed banning guns after Sandy Hook?

[Telconi]

Dammit.

Oh stop it. You don't care. Not really. You're just making noise like you want things to change.

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"If you're not willing to give up your rights and oppress millions for "safety" then you hate children!"

Joseph Goebbels approves

[Ohioan Territory]

If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything nothing will. Americans are perfectly willing to trade dead children for gun rights.

Guns are the problem, certainly not people crazy enough to go on mass killing sprees.

[Sovaal]

Nothing that was proposed after Sandy would have stopped this.

We don’t have enough information to state that. Gun control has managed to stop school shootings across the planet. The US needs to stop pretending that it’s some special magic land. Comprehensive gun control works. It’s just that the US isn’t willing to give up its guns at any price.

How do you know? We know almost nothing about what happened yet.

Shooter had an a gun. Guns would not have been banned after Sandy. Wide spread confiscations would not have happened after Sandy. The major thing that’s came after Sandy was feel good legislation targeting guns based on cosmetics.

[Irona]

How do you know? We know almost nothing about what happened yet.

Shooter had an a gun. Guns would not have been banned after Sandy. Wide spread confiscations would not have happened after Sandy. The major thing that’s came after Sandy was feel good legislation targeting guns based on cosmetics.

more would have come if Americans were willing to commit to gun control.

[Irona]

If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything nothing will. Americans are perfectly willing to trade dead children for gun rights.

Guns are the problem, certainly not people crazy enough to go on mass killing sprees.

Exactly

[Fartsniffage]

Oh stop it. You don't care. Not really. You're just making noise like you want things to change.

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"If you're not willing to give up your rights and oppress millions for "safety" then you hate children!"

Joseph Goebbels approves

You think having comprehensive healthcare would be giving up your rights? You really are a strange one...

[Dahon]

Ok you've established that you know "of" the phrase. Tell me how that phrase is at all in any way relevant to a shooting/murder, which has nothing to do with preserving freedom from tyrants?

It is relevant in a cruelly ironic yet morbidly comic way, once you surmise that those evil students are the real tyrants, flaunting their college education at every turn.

[Sovaal]

Dammit.

Oh stop it. You don't care. Not really. You're just making noise like you want things to change.

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Oh screw it. I make a comment on the state of American politics, and suddenly I’m some inhuman monster?

I see no further fruitful dialogue can come from further conversations with you. Welcome to my blocked list.

[Ohioan Territory]

Guns are the problem, certainly not people crazy enough to go on mass killing sprees.

Exactly

Now, you think this would've been entirely prevented had guns been illegal to purchase by the common citizen?

[Sovaal]

Shooter had an a gun. Guns would not have been banned after Sandy. Wide spread confiscations would not have happened after Sandy. The major thing that’s came after Sandy was feel good legislation targeting guns based on cosmetics.

more would have come if Americans were willing to commit to gun control.

A gun ban isn’t going to do anything. Cat’s out of the bag.

[Grinning Dragon]

Ok you've established that you know "of" the phrase. Tell me how that phrase is at all in any way relevant to a shooting/murder, which has nothing to do with preserving freedom from tyrants?

It is relevant in a cruelly ironic yet morbidly comic way, once you surmise that those evil students are the real tyrants, flaunting their college education at every turn.

It isn't remotely in the same universe of being relevant. You're reaching so hard and far that you would give Stretch Armstrong® a run for the title of stretching it.

[Dahon]

Now, you think this would've been entirely prevented had guns been illegal to purchase by the common citizen?

Prevented? Far more likely than not.

[Telconi]

"If you're not willing to give up your rights and oppress millions for "safety" then you hate children!"

Joseph Goebbels approves

You think having comprehensive healthcare would be giving up your rights? You really are a strange one...

Anything you would call "comprehensive healthcare"? Yes.

[Lukism]

more would have come if Americans were willing to commit to gun control.

A gun ban isn’t going to do anything. Cat’s out of the bag.

100% agree, if a ban was started now what happens to everyone that already has a gun? They definitely wouldn't be giving them back just by asking. It's too late to ban guns but we can increase regulations on new gun purchases.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Was not shocked at all or surprised.

Which is really fucking sad.

[Irona]

more would have come if Americans were willing to commit to gun control.

A gun ban isn’t going to do anything. Cat’s out of the bag.

It’s worked everywhere else, even in Australian states with high gun per capita ratios. The US needs to stop pretending ‘nothing can be done’ because it can.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A gun ban isn’t going to do anything. Cat’s out of the bag.

100% agree, if a ban was started now what happens to everyone that already has a gun? They definitely wouldn't be giving them back just by asking. It's too late to ban guns but we can increase regulations on new gun purchases.

Technology to make factory grade firearms at home is pretty much affordable at this point. The cats way outside of the bag now.

[Irona]

Exactly

Now, you think this would've been entirely prevented had guns been illegal to purchase by the common citizen?

Almost certainly. Lots of country’s HAD school shootings. Then they implemented serious gun control. Now they don’t.

[Fartsniffage]

You think having comprehensive healthcare would be giving up your rights? You really are a strange one...

Anything you would call "comprehensive healthcare"? Yes.

Lol. You do realise that the US government spends more on healthcare per person than every socialised system in the world? It would be a tax cut and getting rid of health insurance if you guys went that way. And maybe some mentally ill people would get treatment before they killed a bunch of people. How would that be infringing your rights?

[Irona]

100% agree, if a ban was started now what happens to everyone that already has a gun? They definitely wouldn't be giving them back just by asking. It's too late to ban guns but we can increase regulations on new gun purchases.

Technology to make factory grade firearms at home is pretty much affordable at this point. The cats way outside of the bag now.

Ah yes. Because as we know high school students in the US would somehow be able to do that while no others in the world can.

[Sovaal]

A gun ban isn’t going to do anything. Cat’s out of the bag.

It’s worked everywhere else, even in Australian states with high gun per capita ratios. The US needs to stop pretending ‘nothing can be done’ because it can.

1:Australia didn’t completely ban guns
2:Not everybody turned in their guns in Australia.
3:America has more gun owners and more guns then Australia.
4: A complete gun ban isn’t even supported by most Democrats. There’s literally no support.

Even if guns where completely out lawed, there’s just so many, along with ammunition to feed them, that it’s just unworkable. Hell, even trying to confiscate ten would probably start a fucking civil war.

[Grinning Dragon]

A gun ban isn’t going to do anything. Cat’s out of the bag.

It’s worked everywhere else, even in Australian states with high gun per capita ratios. The US needs to stop pretending ‘nothing can be done’ because it can.

So the object is to punish the many for the actions of the minuscule few? Then there is the issue of the right to arms is enumerated in the US Constitution, along with 44 States that have enumerated protections.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Technology to make factory grade firearms at home is pretty much affordable at this point. The cats way outside of the bag now.

Ah yes. Because as we know high school students in the US would somehow be able to do that while no others in the world can.

A small CNC machine costs $5,000 nowadays and can make largely anything related to guns once you figure out how it works. 3D printers are much cheaper and can make several forms of firearms and firearms parts nowadays.

Even your vaunted example of Australia has had rising gun crime in recent years.