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Who wins the AL-2 GOP Runoff on July 17th?

Rep. Martha Roby
16
42%
Bobby Bright
22
58%
 
Total votes : 38

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Thuzbekistan
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:26 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Feinstein's seat becomes a hotly contested Dem v. Dem contest. She could win, but I doubt it'd be by the 20+ point margin she has now.

Also, imo, felons convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to run for public office, especially if they are still behind bars.

Once criminals have served their time and are finished with parole, they should have the right to vote and run for office.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:39 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Feinstein's seat becomes a hotly contested Dem v. Dem contest. She could win, but I doubt it'd be by the 20+ point margin she has now.

Also, imo, felons convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to run for public office, especially if they are still behind bars.

Once criminals have served their time and are finished with parole, they should have the right to vote and run for office.

Maybe, but this guy is serving life in prison for double murder, there is no way he would or should be allowed to run or vote.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:49 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Once criminals have served their time and are finished with parole, they should have the right to vote and run for office.

Maybe, but this guy is serving life in prison for double murder, there is no way he would or should be allowed to run or vote.

I don't see any problem with him running for office or voting.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:29 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Feinstein's seat becomes a hotly contested Dem v. Dem contest. She could win, but I doubt it'd be by the 20+ point margin she has now.

Also, imo, felons convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to run for public office, especially if they are still behind bars.

Once criminals have served their time and are finished with parole, they should have the right to vote and run for office.


And bear arms as well.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:42 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Once criminals have served their time and are finished with parole, they should have the right to vote and run for office.

Maybe, but this guy is serving life in prison for double murder, there is no way he would or should be allowed to run or vote.

To whom are you referring?

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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:45 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Once criminals have served their time and are finished with parole, they should have the right to vote and run for office.


And bear arms as well.

Bearing arms is violent. Voting is not.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:45 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
And bear arms as well.

Bearing arms is violent. Voting is not.

Bearing arms isn't per se violent.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:46 pm

Galloism wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Bearing arms is violent. Voting is not.

Bearing arms isn't per se violent.

For convicted felons, and one of the highest recidivism rates, even after parole, it could be.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:46 pm

Galloism wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Bearing arms is violent. Voting is not.

Bearing arms isn't per se violent.


But guns make you commit crimes Gallo...
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:50 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
And bear arms as well.

Bearing arms is violent. Voting is not.


A right is a right. Supporting one and not the other is hypocrisy.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:50 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Galloism wrote:Bearing arms isn't per se violent.

For convicted felons, and one of the highest recidivism rates, even after parole, it could be.

I had a client once who couldn't get a gun because he had a felony a couple decades prior.

It was an EPA violation.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
The South Falls wrote:For convicted felons, and one of the highest recidivism rates, even after parole, it could be.

I had a client once who couldn't get a gun because he had a felony a couple decades prior.

It was an EPA violation.


People either forget, don't know or ignore the fact that not all felonies are violent.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:59 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Galloism wrote:I had a client once who couldn't get a gun because he had a felony a couple decades prior.

It was an EPA violation.


People either forget, don't know or ignore the fact that not all felonies are violent.

Violent felons. Drug possession shouldn't warrant a removal of second amendment rights. And corruption.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:09 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
People either forget, don't know or ignore the fact that not all felonies are violent.

Violent felons. Drug possession shouldn't warrant a removal of second amendment rights. And corruption.


If they are not safe enough to exercise all their rights, they are not safe enough to release. If they have served their time, then further punishment is wrong.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:24 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Violent felons. Drug possession shouldn't warrant a removal of second amendment rights. And corruption.


If they are not safe enough to exercise all their rights, they are not safe enough to release. If they have served their time, then further punishment is wrong.


Basically this.
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-Government Overreach
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:Maybe, but this guy is serving life in prison for double murder, there is no way he would or should be allowed to run or vote.

I don't see any problem with him running for office or voting.

Haha
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:03 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't see any problem with him running for office or voting.

Haha

Whom is this discussion about?

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Thuzbekistan
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Haha

Whom is this discussion about?

I dont speak to commie gun thieves!

I'm jk. I honestly have no idea.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Haha

Whom is this discussion about?


This lovely fellow in Minnesota: http://www.startribune.com/double-murderer-in-prison-has-spot-on-minnesota-ballot-vying-for-klobuchar-s-senate-seat/488038241/

He's running in the Democratic Senate Primary for Klobuchar's seat despite serving a life sentence for double murder.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:28 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Whom is this discussion about?


This lovely fellow in Minnesota: http://www.startribune.com/double-murderer-in-prison-has-spot-on-minnesota-ballot-vying-for-klobuchar-s-senate-seat/488038241/

He's running in the Democratic Senate Primary for Klobuchar's seat despite serving a life sentence for double murder.

That's insane. How could anyone vote for him?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
This lovely fellow in Minnesota: http://www.startribune.com/double-murderer-in-prison-has-spot-on-minnesota-ballot-vying-for-klobuchar-s-senate-seat/488038241/

He's running in the Democratic Senate Primary for Klobuchar's seat despite serving a life sentence for double murder.

That's insane. How could anyone vote for him?


Because he has their preferred letter next to his name.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
This lovely fellow in Minnesota: http://www.startribune.com/double-murderer-in-prison-has-spot-on-minnesota-ballot-vying-for-klobuchar-s-senate-seat/488038241/

He's running in the Democratic Senate Primary for Klobuchar's seat despite serving a life sentence for double murder.

That's insane. How could anyone vote for him?

Why is he even permitted to run? You cannot vote if you're a felon but you can run for Congress just like Blankenship and that guy.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That's insane. How could anyone vote for him?


Because he has their preferred letter next to his name.


He's a murderer and a serving a life sentence. I dont think he'd even be eligible to serve if the snowball's chance in hell he got elected.

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because he has their preferred letter next to his name.


He's a murderer and a serving a life sentence. I dont think he'd even be eligible to serve if the snowball's chance in hell he got elected.


Probably not. That he'll get any amount of votes over 0 is quite beyond my comprehension...but it'll probably happen.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:35 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
He's a murderer and a serving a life sentence. I dont think he'd even be eligible to serve if the snowball's chance in hell he got elected.


Probably not. That he'll get any amount of votes over 0 is quite beyond my comprehension...but it'll probably happen.

I don't think voters would prefer a murderer over Klobuchar in this primary.
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