Gay Rights? What do you think.

[New Kereptica]

Somehow I doubt sexuality works that way...

No one should be forced to suck my cock.

How many are?

[New Kereptica]

I've always used the terms synonymously...

You're not British (right?); you have no excuse!

[Maurepas]

Somehow I doubt sexuality works that way...

No one should be forced to suck my cock.

Well, of course it shouldn't be your cock, mine on the other hand....

[New Kereptica]

They should be treated as humans, but I am against the marriage & adoption thing, both because of religion. Adoption, though, I'm a no-no on that one, because it sways the child(ren) in a certain direction, and kids shouldn't be forced to accept anything (including religion, so that I don't get heated for that).

Straight parents don't "sway the child(ren) in a certain direction"?

Most of the time, no, in a way, unless their parents are 1) Religious (almost) extremists or 2) Amish. Although, the parents (man & wife, mind you) do set up the example about being straight. However, most of today's world is pretty liberal, and lets the child(ren) choose their own fate.

So why is "swaying" a problem with homosexual adoption?

[EvilDarkMagicians]

They should be treated as humans, but I am against the marriage & adoption thing, both because of religion. Adoption, though, I'm a no-no on that one, because it sways the child(ren) in a certain direction, and kids shouldn't be forced to accept anything (including religion, so that I don't get heated for that).

Straight parents don't "sway the child(ren) in a certain direction"?

Most of the time, no, in a way, unless their parents are 1) Religious (almost) extremists or 2) Amish. Although, the parents (man & wife, mind you) do set up the example about being straight. However, most of today's world is pretty liberal, and lets the child(ren) choose their own fate.

, you really think that?

[Redwulf]

Gays should have the same rights as anyone else, except marriage. Marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, and should be kept that way.

Bullshit. Marriage is a bond between two consenting adults, regardless of their genders.

Fixed.

[Industrial Grid]

How many are?

I lost track after the 93rd world fell to the penocaust.

[Maurepas]

I've always used the terms synonymously...

You're not British (right?); you have no excuse!

I didn't know that was a British thing,

[New Kereptica]

How many are?

I lost track after the 93rd world fell to the penocaust.

[Takaram]

They should be treated as humans, but I am against the marriage & adoption thing, both because of religion. Adoption, though, I'm a no-no on that one, because it sways the child(ren) in a certain direction, and kids shouldn't be forced to accept anything (including religion, so that I don't get heated for that).

Straight parents don't "sway the child(ren) in a certain direction"?

Most of the time, no, in a way, unless their parents are 1) Religious (almost) extremists or 2) Amish. Although, the parents (man & wife, mind you) do set up the example about being straight. However, most of today's world is pretty liberal, and lets the child(ren) choose their own fate.

So why is "swaying" a problem with homosexual adoption?

Because obviously the evil homos will force their children to only like men. [/sarcasm]
Of course, that's ignoring the fact that gay people can come from straight families, so hey.

[New Kereptica]

I've always used the terms synonymously...

You're not British (right?); you have no excuse!

I didn't know that was a British thing,

It is according to Wikipedia >.>

[Hayteria]

Marriage is a necessity for these things because that is the avenue through which people enter into contracts with their S.O.'s...

Which begs the further question as to why someone being your S.O. should even be that relevant to such contracts in the first place...

Under the law Straights have the right to marry the person they choose

Not if it's a first cousin. Again, this isn't to say it's the same thing, but again, the point remains that marrying the same sex isn't the only restriction on marrying who you choose...

no more than the fact that Blacks also had schools during Segregation meant that everyone had equal access to education

Education is a bit more of a necessity than marriage, though. Also, segregation could be used as a means to covertly discriminate, whereas the whole idea of "marriage means one man one woman regardless of who is involved" is by its very definition gender-based, but at least consistently so.

The United States is party to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights whether it likes it or not...

That could change. If enough voter discontent with both Democrats and Republicans accumulates to put an alternative like Chuck Baldwin into office, the US won't be part of the UN for much longer...

[Maurepas]

Marriage is a necessity for these things because that is the avenue through which people enter into contracts with their S.O.'s...

Which begs the further question as to why someone being your S.O. should even be that relevant to such contracts in the first place...

Under the law Straights have the right to marry the person they choose

Not if it's a first cousin. Again, this isn't to say it's the same thing, but again, the point remains that marrying the same sex isn't the only restriction on marrying who you choose...

no more than the fact that Blacks also had schools during Segregation meant that everyone had equal access to education

Education is a bit more of a necessity than marriage, though. Also, segregation could be used as a means to covertly discriminate, whereas the whole idea of "marriage means one man one woman regardless of who is involved" is by its very definition gender-based, but at least consistently so.

The United States is party to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights whether it likes it or not...

That could change. If enough voter discontent with both Democrats and Republicans accumulates to put an alternative like Chuck Baldwin into office, the US won't be part of the UN for much longer...

That Idea of marriage is a new one, and isn't backed by human history, marriage is between consenting adults, nothing more...

I wasn't aware one was barred from marrying one's first cousin, there are some people in Vancleave that'll need to have words about that...

Whether it can change or not is irrelevant, the fact is that the US is bound by it now, and the UDHR considers it a Fundamental Right, whether you agree with it or not, meaning it is no less(and possibly more) valid a right as Education...

One's S.O. is relevant, because they are part of one's family...

[Unchecked Expansion]

Marriage is a necessity for these things because that is the avenue through which people enter into contracts with their S.O.'s...

Which begs the further question as to why someone being your S.O. should even be that relevant to such contracts in the first place...

Because the law gives certain privileges to a married couple not available to one not legally married

[El-Yonder]

They should be treated as humans, but I am against the marriage & adoption thing, both because of religion. Adoption, though, I'm a no-no on that one, because it sways the child(ren) in a certain direction, and kids shouldn't be forced to accept anything (including religion, so that I don't get heated for that).

Straight parents don't "sway the child(ren) in a certain direction"?

Most of the time, no, in a way, unless their parents are 1) Religious (almost) extremists or 2) Amish. Although, the parents (man & wife, mind you) do set up the example about being straight. However, most of today's world is pretty liberal, and lets the child(ren) choose their own fate.

So why is "swaying" a problem with homosexual adoption?

Because it's just that. Swaying. It influences the child in a way that is more than opinion in cases like what is believes as right or wrong, truth or lie. It could be that a child with 2 dads pretty much decides that homosexuality isn't in cahoots with them, at the end, but notes otherwise because of the fact that he/she has 2 dads.

[The Alma Mater]

That Idea of marriage is a new one, and isn't backed by human history, marriage is between consenting adults, nothing more...

Actually, the whole consent part is even newer. Marriage traditionally was a simple business deal between the parents, or sometimes the prospective husband and the parents of the desired (child) bride. Consent and love were not important.

[Industrial Grid]

That Idea of marriage is a new one, and isn't backed by human history, marriage is between consenting adults, nothing more...

No. In Sudan a few years ago, a man was "sentenced" to marry a goat he had screwed.
http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php ... icle=14249

[Allbeama]

Gay rights is usually used as short hand for giving gay couples the same rights and protections as straight protections.

I think human rights mostly apply to individuals.

And marriage is a matter between individuals. Ergo, sexual orientation should have no bearing on having one's relationship recognized as "marriage" or something that carries the same weight in society and legal issues. Say taxes, adoption and all the couple things. Ultimately it is about legitimizing the union of a same sex couple, that recognizes that they are as valid as a straight couple.

[Maurepas]

That Idea of marriage is a new one, and isn't backed by human history, marriage is between consenting adults, nothing more...

Actually, the whole consent part is even newer. Marriage traditionally was a simple business deal between the parents, or sometimes the prospective husband and the parents of the desired (child) bride. Consent and love were not important.

Agreed, simply a contract in the general sense then...

[New Kereptica]

Because it's just that. Swaying. It influences the child in a way that is more than opinion in cases like what is believes as right or wrong, truth or lie. It could be that a child with 2 dads pretty much decides that homosexuality isn't in cahoots with them, at the end, but notes otherwise because of the fact that he/she has 2 dads.

Homosexual couples are somehow more susceptible to this swaying than heterosexual couples?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

They should be treated as humans, but I am against the marriage & adoption thing, both because of religion. Adoption, though, I'm a no-no on that one, because it sways the child(ren) in a certain direction, and kids shouldn't be forced to accept anything (including religion, so that I don't get heated for that).

Straight parents don't "sway the child(ren) in a certain direction"?

Most of the time, no, in a way, unless their parents are 1) Religious (almost) extremists or 2) Amish. Although, the parents (man & wife, mind you) do set up the example about being straight. However, most of today's world is pretty liberal, and lets the child(ren) choose their own fate.

So why is "swaying" a problem with homosexual adoption?

Because it's just that. Swaying. It influences the child in a way that is more than opinion in cases like what is believes as right or wrong, truth or lie. It could be that a child with 2 dads pretty much decides that homosexuality isn't in cahoots with them, at the end, but notes otherwise because of the fact that he/she has 2 dads.

And this is bad because....?

[Maurepas]

That Idea of marriage is a new one, and isn't backed by human history, marriage is between consenting adults, nothing more...

No. In Sudan a few years ago, a man was "sentenced" to marry a goat he had screwed.
http://www.sudantribune.com/article.php ... icle=14249

Was it an Adult Goat?

[Allbeama]

Gays should have the same rights as anyone else, except marriage. Marriage is a sacred bond between one man and one woman, and should be kept that way.

Way to completely miss the point. And contradict yourself simultaneously.

[Minotzia]

People keep telling me that gay rights should be illegal, but when I ask them why, they just storm off. I want your opinions but please give a real reason and not something like, "Because it should be!" Thank you for posting.

Because if we allow gays to get married we have to extend spousal benefits to a larger percentage of the population, and that means everyone gets paid less. Plus we would be going with policy on a social issue that isn't backed by the social majority, and that's always going to be disastrous.

[Industrial Grid]

Was it an Adult Goat?

Goats mature faster than humans.