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It's okay to be white, the campaign is good.
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It's okay to be white, the campaign is bad. (Explain below.)
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It's not okay to be white.
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Petrasylvania
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:46 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Didn't work before.

How come?

Because it implied to blacks that they were delusional complaining about police discrimination and abuse.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
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Dredge
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Postby Dredge » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:46 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
*Disclaimer, yes I know I used to support BLM , however I supported them beacuse in some cases there was clearly racism in the police forces that where shooting unarmed people.

Key word here: "some cases". Individual cases are not the same as imaginary institutional racism.

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Aethrys
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Postby Aethrys » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:46 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Didn't work before.

How come?


BLM didn't feel special anymore and decided it was therefore a racist plot.
"Concentration of power in a political machine is bad; and an Established Church is only a political machine; it was invented for that; it is nursed, cradled, preserved for that; it is an enemy to human liberty, and does no good which it could not better do in a split-up and scattered condition." - Mark Twain

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The Greater Ohio Valley
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:52 am

Salus Maior wrote:No. The Left should be exposed for how ridiculous that is.

The fringe parts of the left have had their views repeatedly browbeaten Into the dirt by numerous people over the last few years so they’ve been plenty “exposed” for how ridiculous they are. Now it’s just overkill and beating a dead horse that’s been beaten to a pulp by now.

Salus Maior wrote:Is it stupid to simply state "it's okay to be white"?

No, but this campaign exists solely to troll those who we already knew would fall for the bait. It’s stupid and childish.

Salus Maior wrote:If we lived in a less racist time, anyone would simply look at the paper and shrug "yeah, sure" and move on

And I’m sure most people do shrug and say “yeah, sure” and move on.

Salus Maior wrote:but no, people are losing their shit over it.

Sure, the same people this campaign was meant to troll, but not everyone is losing their shit over it.

Salus Maior wrote:And that's indicative of a problem.

Since the people who are “losing their shit” over this aren’t representative of the Left as whole I’d hardly say there’s a problem.
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Ilmenia
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Postby Ilmenia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:54 am

Tbh it would be more catchy if the slogan were "It's alright to be white"

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Samnoreg
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Postby Samnoreg » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:55 am

Well this is just right silly. There isn't really any worthwhile use for this campaign other than to soothe the delusions of folks who feel threatened because they are no longer the exclusive voice in society (or those kooks who genuinely believe in white genocide). I guess I don't see the imperative here.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:56 am

It's okay to be human.

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The Alexanderians
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:58 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:01 am

Dredge wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
*Disclaimer, yes I know I used to support BLM , however I supported them beacuse in some cases there was clearly racism in the police forces that where shooting unarmed people.

Key word here: "some cases". Individual cases are not the same as imaginary institutional racism.


The first shooting and some of other shootings after that had major evidence that individual city police forces where indeed racist for years.

This doesn't mean all the police are racist, just that some individual city police forces where indeed racist and we should have been watching more closely.

However, BLM did take this idea overboard and say that all cops where racist without any proof and rioted a lot.
That is where my support of BLM stopped.

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Samnoreg
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Postby Samnoreg » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:03 am

Tekeristan wrote:It's okay to be human.
Careful now, there are fragile egos about, the identities of whom are entirely predicated on their skin pigment. Wouldn't want to fortuitously knock one over to have it shatter.
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Dredge
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Postby Dredge » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:04 am

BLM is both the dumbest and smartest movements out there. Its dumb because it doesn't actually protest anything. As opposed to the NAACP, which protested actual physical laws that were in place to limit the rights of blacks. BLM just yells, "We need justice!" because a few police officers did the wrong thing. Im not defending what they did, but it isnt proof of institutional racism by itself. That is evident by the fact that the news started showing police shootings that weren't even bad incidents.

They're smart because its so hard to peg them. I hate it when people say, "You can't say BLM is bad because of some people. Its not a just one organization." However, it does make it hard, because when you make your cause so broad, you can always rely on that fallback excuse. Also, their name is brilliant, and probably why they've lasted so long. I mean, its really hard to say, "I'm against black lives matter"

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The Alexanderians
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:05 am

Dredge wrote:BLM is both the dumbest and smartest movements out there. Its dumb because it doesn't actually protest anything. As opposed to the NAACP, which protested actual physical laws that were in place to limit the rights of blacks. BLM just yells, "We need justice!" because a few police officers did the wrong thing. Im not defending what they did, but it isnt proof of institutional racism by itself. That is evident by the fact that the news started showing police shootings that weren't even bad incidents.

They're smart because its so hard to peg them. I hate it when people say, "You can't say BLM is bad because of some people. Its not a just one organization." However, it does make it hard, because when you make your cause so broad, you can always rely on that fallback excuse. Also, their name is brilliant, and probably why they've lasted so long. I mean, its really hard to say, "I'm against black lives matter"

Thats the nature of their complete decentralization.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
You can't fight the friction
Women belong in the kitchen
Men belong in the kitchen
Everyone belongs in the kitchen
Kitchen has food
I have brought dishonor to my gaming clan
Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

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The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:07 am

Samnoreg wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:It's okay to be human.
Careful now, there are fragile egos about, the identities of whom are entirely predicated on their skin pigment. Wouldn't want to fortuitously knock one over to have it shatter.

Like identifying as a gamer

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Iyanden
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Postby Iyanden » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:07 am

Ofcoruse its ok to be white just like any other race anyone that says other wise is another far left racist.

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Petrasylvania
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:07 am

The Alexanderians wrote:
Dredge wrote:BLM is both the dumbest and smartest movements out there. Its dumb because it doesn't actually protest anything. As opposed to the NAACP, which protested actual physical laws that were in place to limit the rights of blacks. BLM just yells, "We need justice!" because a few police officers did the wrong thing. Im not defending what they did, but it isnt proof of institutional racism by itself. That is evident by the fact that the news started showing police shootings that weren't even bad incidents.

They're smart because its so hard to peg them. I hate it when people say, "You can't say BLM is bad because of some people. Its not a just one organization." However, it does make it hard, because when you make your cause so broad, you can always rely on that fallback excuse. Also, their name is brilliant, and probably why they've lasted so long. I mean, its really hard to say, "I'm against black lives matter"

Thats the nature of their complete decentralization.

Decentralization never works outside of terrorist groups. As Occupy Wall Street proved, any overarcing message gets bogged down and lost, plus it's open to assholes inviting themselves and do shit claiming it's on behalf of the movement.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:09 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:Thats the nature of their complete decentralization.

Decentralization never works outside of terrorist groups. As Occupy Wall Street proved, any overarcing message gets bogged down and lost, plus it's open to assholes inviting themselves and do shit claiming it's on behalf of the movement.

Sounds like BLM's situation

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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:09 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:Thats the nature of their complete decentralization.

Decentralization never works outside of terrorist groups. As Occupy Wall Street proved, any overarcing message gets bogged down and lost, plus it's open to assholes inviting themselves and do shit claiming it's on behalf of the movement.

I didn't say it work and you in fact perfectly described BLM since its inception.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
You can't fight the friction
Women belong in the kitchen
Men belong in the kitchen
Everyone belongs in the kitchen
Kitchen has food
I have brought dishonor to my gaming clan
Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

Marethian Lupanar of Teladre wrote:A bright and cheerful mountain village of chapel-goers~

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Postby Community Values » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:11 am

I prefer "Your race shouldn't matter and it's dumb if you think it should. You are an idiot if you base your personality on it"
"Corrupted by wealth and power, your government is like a restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen."
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:12 am

Community Values wrote:I prefer "Your race shouldn't matter and it's dumb if you think it should. You are an idiot if you base your personality on it"

"So if police abuse you and overreact based on your skin color you should say 'Thank you Sir, may I please have another?' then shut up."
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Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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The Alexanderians
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:12 am

Community Values wrote:I prefer "Your race shouldn't matter and it's dumb if you think it should. You are an idiot if you base your personality on it"

You'd think more people would agree.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
You can't fight the friction
Women belong in the kitchen
Men belong in the kitchen
Everyone belongs in the kitchen
Kitchen has food
I have brought dishonor to my gaming clan
Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

Marethian Lupanar of Teladre wrote:A bright and cheerful mountain village of chapel-goers~

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Iyanden
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Postby Iyanden » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:13 am

Irona wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
That's not a strawman. That is very frequently how white people are portrayed. For every advocate of social justice talking about the intersectionality of being white, there are a hundred talking about the intersectionality of being a "person a color", and I wager that estimate is incredibly generous. The rhetoric of contemporary social justice almost never takes into account intersectionality when it comes to white people.

As I just said. Obviously people are going to talk about the intersectionality of people who are discriminated against, that's the whole point of intersectionality.

White people haven't been historically oppressed, it's not racist to not include white people in a group of people who have faced historic discrimination.

Complete non sense ask the victims of the Ottomans like the Greeks or the southern Europeans kidnapped by Arab slave traders or Mugabe's victims and ect. Racist is when you say a race is evil or inferior because of their race or hate them because of it so it is racist to say that its bad to be white just like to any other race

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:19 am

Irona wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
That's not a strawman. That is very frequently how white people are portrayed. For every advocate of social justice talking about the intersectionality of being white, there are a hundred talking about the intersectionality of being a "person a color", and I wager that estimate is incredibly generous. The rhetoric of contemporary social justice almost never takes into account intersectionality when it comes to white people.

As I just said. Obviously people are going to talk about the intersectionality of people who are discriminated against, that's the whole point of intersectionality.

White people haven't been historically oppressed, it's not racist to not include white people in a group of people who have faced historic discrimination.


You have to be historically illiterate to imagine an entire racial group to somehow be exempt from typical historical malice.

But I am guessing these diverse meetings would be entirely fine with white Jews, who're at the head of fairly recent historical persecution, despite doing pretty well on average in economic respect. Or is the halving by genocide of ones population not meet the criteria for microaggressions nowadays?
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:20 am

Salus Maior wrote:So, the people who voted the second option believe that it's "okay to be white", but don't want anyone to state that.

Ok then.


No, just the way they stated it was dumb anti SJW "lul look at the triggered leftests" nonsense.

If the poster was:

Race doesn't matter, everyone is equal.


Then i'd be ok.

Community Values wrote:I prefer "Your race shouldn't matter and it's dumb if you think it should. You are an idiot if you base your personality on it"

This would also be ok.
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Postby Dredge » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:20 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Community Values wrote:I prefer "Your race shouldn't matter and it's dumb if you think it should. You are an idiot if you base your personality on it"

"So if police abuse you and overreact based on your skin color you should say 'Thank you Sir, may I please have another?' then shut up."

That doesnt happen. Police are more cautious of poor people in poor areas, and rightfully so. A black guy in a nice suit and a lexus probably is going to be ignored by police compared to a white guy in thuggish clothes, bumping rap music, and in a broken down car.

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Postby Dredge » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:25 am

I like the campaign not on the premise that whites are oppressed or anything, because no one is really oppressed in America. I like it because it makes a point. The people who cry out that all black lives matter and its okay to be black are called out on their hypocrisies when shown the small flyer. I mean, if you look at the flyer, its rated G compared to the things Antifa and BLM do.

ADD: It shows that the politicians and heads of these universities don't actually care about standing up for equal rights, but only care about advancing their political agenda to cause more division.
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