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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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Postby Albrenia » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:15 pm

I hear Trump's been doing bigly deals with China. Yet we're talking about Russia? Sad!

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:One pool closes and another one opens, by unpopular demand.

Anyway, REJOICE CAUSE IT’S YA BOI AGAIN.

(Lumi you’re a girl.)

DARN IT INNER VOICE LET ME BE GANGSTER.

(You’re about as gangster as a Belgian waffle.)

Awwwwww...

Hey Belgian waffles are awesome

Yes they are. Unfortunately they will not give me street cred.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:17 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
War Gears wrote:
"About as gangster as a Belgian waffle."

I'm stealing that one. :lol2:

It helps that he was fighting one of the most incompetent military leaders in European history.


You act like Mussolini did all the fighting single-handedly.


As head of government and someone who insisted on heading almost all of the ministerial offices, Mussolini had large control of the front, and was the ultimate arbiter of the resources that went into it. His preparation for the invasion was so lazy and ill-planned that it was karmic justice it turned into a total humiliation for the army.

"Let's divert resources from a major war with a colonial power into a theater of operations we're not going to pay any attention to!"

He deserved to be shot, for stupidity.
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:17 pm

Albrenia wrote:I hear Trump's been doing bigly deals with China. Yet we're talking about Russia? Sad!


There's already a Trump megathread.

Luminesa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Hey Belgian waffles are awesome

Yes they are. Unfortunately they will not give me street cred.


I dunno, for what it's worth you'd earn street cred with me if you had Belgian waffles.

But only if they're drowned in syrup.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:18 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Albrenia wrote:I hear Trump's been doing bigly deals with China. Yet we're talking about Russia? Sad!


There's already a Trump megathread.

Luminesa wrote:Yes they are. Unfortunately they will not give me street cred.


I dunno, for what it's worth you'd earn street cred with me if you had Belgian waffles.

But only if they're drowned in syrup.

YEAH!!! *Drowns it in syrup.*
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and the greatest is love."
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Postby The Founding Fatherland » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:19 pm

War Gears wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
You act like Mussolini did all the fighting single-handedly.


As head of government and someone who insisted on heading almost all of the ministerial offices, Mussolini had large control of the front, and was the ultimate arbiter of the resources that went into it. His preparation for the invasion was so lazy and ill-planned that it was karmic justice it turned into a total humiliation for the army.

"Let's divert resources from a major war with a colonial power into a theater of operations we're not going to pay any attention to!"

He deserved to be shot, for stupidity.


Eh... alright, I'll concede that Mussolini was a terrible strategist.
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Postby Sanctissima » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:35 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
War Gears wrote:
As head of government and someone who insisted on heading almost all of the ministerial offices, Mussolini had large control of the front, and was the ultimate arbiter of the resources that went into it. His preparation for the invasion was so lazy and ill-planned that it was karmic justice it turned into a total humiliation for the army.

"Let's divert resources from a major war with a colonial power into a theater of operations we're not going to pay any attention to!"

He deserved to be shot, for stupidity.


Eh... alright, I'll concede that Mussolini was a terrible strategist.


Also a god-awful husband and father. The man had his own wife and son killed because he considered them a political liability. He even let his own son-in-law be summarily executed towards the end, because he thought Hitler-senpai would approve.

There's also:
-Regularly betraying close allies and friends for stupid reasons
-Approving of (albeit briefly) Lenin
-Quintessentially founding Italian Fascism because he lost his job editing Avanti
-Being even more of a yandere gf for Hitler than Eva
-Generally being a megalomaniacal asshole

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:44 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think we should do a poll on what everyone's favorite anti-Bolshevik faction in the Russian Civil War was, like the Military government of Russia (Kolchak & Denikin), the Constitutional Assembly, the Tsarists, the Right SR's, and the Green Army.


Why? Literally every faction in the Russian Civil War was trash.

Because the opposition to the Bolsheviks was Right Wing and the Russian Civil War's anniversary was yesterday.
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Postby War Gears » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:51 pm

Sanctissima wrote:He even let his own son-in-law be summarily executed towards the end, because he thought Hitler-senpai would approve.


Eh, I don't think that's accurate. Ciano was executed along with other members of the Grand Council who voted against Mussolini mainly because he wanted revenge. Mussolini was quite bipolar on the issue, he went from wanting him shot to pretending that Hitler "forced" him. To be honest, it's hard to mourn Ciano's death or feel sorry for him in any capacity. He was corrupt and nepotist, and he originally planned to replace Mussolini with a new Fascist government with himself, Grandi, and another coup leader as a triumvirate.
Sanctissima wrote:-Regularly betraying close allies and friends for stupid reasons


Yes. This is true.
Sanctissima wrote:-Approving of (albeit briefly) Lenin


"Briefly." no, not quite. Mussolini's admiration for Lenin and Bolshevism went on well until his death, he just liked to hide it when it was politically opportune. One of the most bloodthirsty Fascist squadrons was named the "Ceka," and Mussolini told the son of a Republican senator in the thirties that "Fascism and Communism are the same."
Sanctissima wrote:-Quintessentially founding Italian Fascism because he lost his job editing Avanti


No. That's a downright wrong characterization of the founding of the Fascist movement.
Sanctissima wrote:-Being even more of a yandere gf for Hitler than Eva


Actually it's the other way around. Hitler had a creepy yandere relationship with Mussolini. According to one general, Hitler would look at Mussolini like a woman would a man, making several of the military staff uncomfortable and have to avert their eyes out of embarrassment.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:54 pm

War Gears wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:He even let his own son-in-law be summarily executed towards the end, because he thought Hitler-senpai would approve.


Eh, I don't think that's accurate. Ciano was executed along with other members of the Grand Council who voted against Mussolini mainly because he wanted revenge. Mussolini was quite bipolar on the issue, he went from wanting him shot to pretending that Hitler "forced" him. To be honest, it's hard to mourn Ciano's death or feel sorry for him in any capacity. He was corrupt and nepotist, and he originally planned to replace Mussolini with a new Fascist government with himself, Grandi, and another coup leader as a triumvirate.
Sanctissima wrote:-Regularly betraying close allies and friends for stupid reasons


Yes. This is true.
Sanctissima wrote:-Approving of (albeit briefly) Lenin


"Briefly." no, not quite. Mussolini's admiration for Lenin and Bolshevism went on well until his death, he just liked to hide it when it was politically opportune. One of the most bloodthirsty Fascist squadrons was named the "Ceka," and Mussolini told the son of a Republican senator in the thirties that "Fascism and Communism are the same."
Sanctissima wrote:-Quintessentially founding Italian Fascism because he lost his job editing Avanti


No. That's a downright wrong characterization of the founding of the Fascist movement.
Sanctissima wrote:-Being even more of a yandere gf for Hitler than Eva


Actually it's the other way around. Hitler had a creepy yandere relationship with Mussolini. According to one general, Hitler would look at Mussolini like a woman would a man, making several of the military staff uncomfortable and have to avert their eyes out of embarrassment.

Hitler: “Psst! Notice me Musso-senpai!”
German Solider: “Oh gosh, Mein Fuhrer, not again.”
Hitler: “VAT WAS ZAT?!”
German Soldier: “E-Erm I never said anything...”
Hitler: “Ahhhhh, Musso-senpai is so kawaii...”
German Soldier: “We have got to stop letting him read those degenerate Japanese comics.”
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and the greatest is love."
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:57 pm

Almost tempted to make a poll on the treaty of Trianon . . .
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:03 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Almost tempted to make a poll on the treaty of Trianon . . .


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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:03 pm

Why not a poll on who was the Yandere between Hitler/Mussolini?

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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:12 pm

The Founding Fatherland wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think we should do a poll on what everyone's favorite anti-Bolshevik faction in the Russian Civil War was, like the Military government of Russia (Kolchak & Denikin), the Constitutional Assembly, the Tsarists, the Right SR's, and the Green Army.


Why? Literally every faction in the Russian Civil War was trash.

The Anarchists were based

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:30 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Why? Literally every faction in the Russian Civil War was trash.

The Anarchists were based

Russian Anarchism gave birth to the nihilist terrorist movement
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:37 pm

@Luminesa, I also apologise to you for the wait. I, however, have to concede. I cannot quote your post anymore, due to RWDT IX having been locked, and the process I did with War Gears' post is simply too time consuming. I had a post ready, but it was unfortunately destroyed when I previewed the post.

@War Gears, I apologise for the wait, I intended to submit this response earlier but I previewed the post whilst the RWDT IX was locked, which I didn't take notice of, so the work was lost; the fact that I couldn't quote your post didn't help with time, either.

Because they love their religion and want people to understand and appreciate it as much as they do?

Unless they're just in it to be judgemental and Russian supremacists, which I'm 100% sure UMN is.

Obviously not, seeing as Parkus has stated that Orthodoxy is not interested in the sympathy, and probably approval too, of the world.

[1] &
[2]



Look at all this hatred for Christianity, we're going to need to bring back blasphemy laws to charge me with all this slander.

You may defend the accomplishments of Christianity, but that does not take away from the fact that you do not take Christianity seriously outside of its accomplishments. This is very clearly illustrated through other posts of yours:

Letting people have sexual reassignment surgery and getting married is not going to result in rape being legalized.

Hopefully we get rid of Christianity one day. [1]

The West has been spiritually dead for thousands of years. It's why Christianity and Islam managed to spread. [2]

Nah, Christianity isn't evil. It's just a lot more superficial and selfish than most other religions. [3]


If only you realized the irony,

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If I am an unpleasant human being, which I may well be when dealing with a thread of such unlikable folk as you all, then it would have nothing to do with my religion or ideology (whatever the latter is).

My point being, you criticise UMN and Parkus for discouraging sympathy towards Christianity, but then you do exactly what you criticise: make your beliefs as unsympathetic as possible.
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:45 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:The Anarchists were based

Russian Anarchism gave birth to the nihilist terrorist movement

I'm not talking about the nihilists.
I'm talking about the Makhnovists

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:46 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Russian Anarchism gave birth to the nihilist terrorist movement

I'm not talking about the nihilists.
I'm talking about the Makhnovists


Common criminals?
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:47 pm

Minzerland II wrote:My point being, you criticise UMN and Parkus for discouraging sympathy towards Christianity, but then you do exactly what you criticise: make your beliefs as unsympathetic as possible.

...how?

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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:49 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:I'm not talking about the nihilists.
I'm talking about the Makhnovists


Common criminals?

::::::^^^^^^^))))))

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:52 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Common criminals?

::::::^^^^^^^))))))


What else is one to call free booters in the mold of the Thirty Years War?
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:56 pm

Minzerland II wrote:@Luminesa, I also apologise to you for the wait. I, however, have to concede. I cannot quote your post anymore, due to RWDT IX having been locked, and the process I did with War Gears' post is simply too time consuming. I had a post ready, but it was unfortunately destroyed when I previewed the post.

@War Gears, I apologise for the wait, I intended to submit this response earlier but I previewed the post whilst the RWDT IX was locked, which I didn't take notice of, so the work was lost; the fact that I couldn't quote your post didn't help with time, either.

Because they love their religion and want people to understand and appreciate it as much as they do?

Unless they're just in it to be judgemental and Russian supremacists, which I'm 100% sure UMN is.

Obviously not, seeing as Parkus has stated that Orthodoxy is not interested in the sympathy, and probably approval too, of the world.



Look at all this hatred for Christianity, we're going to need to bring back blasphemy laws to charge me with all this slander.

You may defend the accomplishments of Christianity, but that does not take away from the fact that you do not take Christianity seriously outside of its accomplishments. This is very clearly illustrated through other posts of yours:

Letting people have sexual reassignment surgery and getting married is not going to result in rape being legalized.

Hopefully we get rid of Christianity one day. [1]

The West has been spiritually dead for thousands of years. It's why Christianity and Islam managed to spread. [2]

Nah, Christianity isn't evil. It's just a lot more superficial and selfish than most other religions. [3]


If only you realized the irony,

Yes, I am holier-than-thou myself a lot of the time, but I actually seek to change that.
Felrik.

I am not Felrik, this issue has already been resolved. But if you are so inclined to believe that I am Felrik... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If I am an unpleasant human being, which I may well be when dealing with a thread of such unlikable folk as you all, then it would have nothing to do with my religion or ideology (whatever the latter is).

My point being, you criticise UMN and Parkus for discouraging sympathy towards Christianity, but then you do exactly what you criticise: make your beliefs as unsympathetic as possible.

No worries. I’m not angry with you fam. :)
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and the greatest is love."
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Postby -Jochistan- » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:56 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:::::::^^^^^^^))))))


What else is one to call free booters in the mold of the Thirty Years War?

I don't see what's wrong with freebooters if they're fighting to liberate the downtrodden and carve out a homeland for them.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:57 pm

Albrenia wrote:Why not a poll on who was the Yandere between Hitler/Mussolini?

Anime conditions people to depravity and sickness, so that simply will not do.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:57 pm

-Jochistan- wrote:
The Founding Fatherland wrote:
Why? Literally every faction in the Russian Civil War was trash.

The Anarchists were based

> Anarchy being based.
> Ever.

Yes, disorder and the destruction of an orderly society is based.
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So apparently I am an ENFP!

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and the greatest is love."
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