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What type of leftist are you?

Left-leaning Centrist
105
13%
Left/Social Liberal
74
9%
Social Democrat
115
14%
Democratic Socialist
139
17%
Marxist Communist
139
17%
Social Anarchist
50
6%
Individualist Anarchist
38
5%
Revolutionary Syndicalist
39
5%
Communalist
27
3%
Other (Please Post)
71
9%
 
Total votes : 797

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Postby Crysuko » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:03 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Postby Aellex » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:28 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Right down to the highly destructive jihads :(

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:00 am

Alsheb wrote:Dialectical and historical materialism are scientific methods with which to analyse and understand the workings of human society.
That is in no way contradictory to the possibility of there being a higher Creator who created the universe in the first place.


Many people also misunderstand Marx's often-quoted reference to religion being the opium (or opiate) of the masses. Marx was making the simple observation of how religion can be used by the bourgeoisie to pacify the masses and and discourage them from developing class consciousness and staging a revolution. This practice was common on some (but fortunately not all) plantations in the American South.

Marx's view of religion was nuanced, and it should not be confused with the New Atheism of Richard Dawkins, the late Christopher Hitchens, and others. In fact, in sociology, Marx is viewed as one of the three primary founders of the sociology of religion (along with Émile Durkheim and Max Weber).

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:17 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Right down to the highly destructive jihads :(


Jihad (Arabic, جِهَاد, Ǧihād) is to struggle or strive. My personal ǧihād is always to struggle for self-improvement and to subdue my nafs (lower nature or ego). There is also a lower military ǧihād. However, that is only used as a defensive maneuver.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:19 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Right down to the highly destructive jihads :(

I mean, technically speaking invading other nations isn't a religious Jihad (seeing as Jahad-al-Asqar (or, Lesser Jihad) is a defensive military effort, as opposed to offensive.), but OK.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:39 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Right down to the highly destructive jihads :(

I mean, technically speaking invading other nations isn't a religious Jihad (seeing as Jahad-al-Asqar (or, Lesser Jihad) is a defensive military effort, as opposed to offensive.), but OK.

Jihad is inherently reactionary. :thinking:
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:45 am

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Alsheb wrote:Dialectical and historical materialism are scientific methods with which to analyse and understand the workings of human society.
That is in no way contradictory to the possibility of there being a higher Creator who created the universe in the first place.


Many people also misunderstand Marx's often-quoted reference to religion being the opium (or opiate) of the masses. Marx was making the simple observation of how religion can be used by the bourgeoisie to pacify the masses and and discourage them from developing class consciousness and staging a revolution. This practice was common on some (but fortunately not all) plantations in the American South.

Marx's view of religion was nuanced, and it should not be confused with the New Atheism of Richard Dawkins, the late Christopher Hitchens, and others. In fact, in sociology, Marx is viewed as one of the three primary founders of the sociology of religion (along with Émile Durkheim and Max Weber).

Absolutely, couldn't agree more.
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:46 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Right down to the highly destructive jihads :(


If you refer to the territorial expansion through armed offensive conquest, that does not qualify as a Jihad.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:48 am

Alsheb wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Right down to the highly destructive jihads :(


If you refer to the territorial expansion through armed offensive conquest, that does not qualify as a Jihad.

The best kind of defense is a good offense.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:50 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:I mean, technically speaking invading other nations isn't a religious Jihad (seeing as Jahad-al-Asqar (or, Lesser Jihad) is a defensive military effort, as opposed to offensive.), but OK.

Jihad is inherently reactionary. :thinking:

well, the definition of "Defending nation when someone is already invading it" is a reaction, so I guess yes.
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Postby Victoriala II » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:18 am

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"But changing your mind often? No problemo"

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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:23 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
If you refer to the territorial expansion through armed offensive conquest, that does not qualify as a Jihad.

The best kind of defense is a good offense.

ironically, the majority of Muslim Scholars don't see the early Muslim Consquests (under the Rashidun, Abbasid, or Umavid Caliphates) as Jihad, and there's no debate on whether the Ottoman Conquests were Jihad or not (seeing as the Emperor wasn't, in any way, a Caliph or leader of Faith).
Like, most Lesser Jihadi Movements aren't even militant. see: Persian Tobacco Protest, a Jihadi Movement in Qajarid Iran that appeared, mostly, as the people refusing to sell or buy tobacco.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:15 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:I mean, technically speaking invading other nations isn't a religious Jihad (seeing as Jahad-al-Asqar (or, Lesser Jihad) is a defensive military effort, as opposed to offensive.), but OK.

Jihad is inherently reactionary. :thinking:

Wtf? How?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:24 am

Aillyria wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Jihad is inherently reactionary. :thinking:

Wtf? How?

*wears pseudo-Intellectual glasses* well, Lesser Jihad, defined as defending the Ummat from outer threat, is inherently a reaction to an aggression from an enemy. so I guess it's reactionary?
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:29 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Wtf? How?

*wears pseudo-Intellectual glasses* well, Lesser Jihad, defined as defending the Ummat from outer threat, is inherently a reaction to an aggression from an enemy. so I guess it's reactionary?

Ah.....I see.
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Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:32 am

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Right down to the highly destructive jihads :(


Jihad (Arabic, جِهَاد, Ǧihād) is to struggle or strive. My personal ǧihād is always to struggle for self-improvement and to subdue my nafs (lower nature or ego). There is also a lower military ǧihād. However, that is only used as a defensive maneuver.

The liquidation of the Ukrainians was an internal jihad
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Postby Crysuko » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:00 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Jihad (Arabic, جِهَاد, Ǧihād) is to struggle or strive. My personal ǧihād is always to struggle for self-improvement and to subdue my nafs (lower nature or ego). There is also a lower military ǧihād. However, that is only used as a defensive maneuver.

The liquidation of the Ukrainians was an internal jihad

They made excellent smoothies though
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:23 am

Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.
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Postby Crysuko » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:31 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Sigged
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:33 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Oh snap.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:42 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

this is definitely a prize-winner!
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Postby Crysuko » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:44 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

this is definitely a prize-winner!

The smug anime girl makes it better
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:59 am

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I would have expected you to prefer Alexander III. :)
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Postby El Hamidah » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:13 am

Alsheb wrote:
El Hamidah wrote:Jesus was certainly. Not too sure about Muhammad though.

You're a Marxist though right? How do you personally reconcile your religion with Marx's Materialism?
I've gotten a few interesting answers from Marxists about that. From claiming God is the Material world in it's totality to claiming there is a God but he rises from nature/the material.


Dialectical and historical materialism are scientific methods with which to analyse and understand the workings of human society.
That is in no way contradictory to the possibility of there being a higher Creator who created the universe in the first place.

Yeah but they presuppose that the material world is all or the basis of all that exists.
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Postby El Hamidah » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:17 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

lmao
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