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by Zeclil » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:35 pm
by Sanctissima » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:38 pm
Katganistan wrote:Sanctissima wrote:English is filthy Germanic barbari speak, insufficiently blessed with the glorious Latin tongue. Granted, it has a certain rudimentary linguistic appeal in terms of versatility and ease of use, but it lacks the finer beauty of its Romance brethren, and is, to be quite frank, a very rough-sounding language. Basically latinized Swamp German.
Also, Shakespeare is highly overrated. The eternal bard my ass.
Wow, I thought he was dead, but you've been keeping him under your.... hat all this time?
Pasong Tirad wrote:Sanctissima wrote:English is filthy Germanic barbari speak, insufficiently blessed with the glorious Latin tongue. Granted, it has a certain rudimentary linguistic appeal in terms of versatility and ease of use, but it lacks the finer beauty of its Romance brethren, and is, to be quite frank, a very rough-sounding language. Basically latinized Swamp German.
Also, Shakespeare is highly overrated. The eternal bard my ass.
How dare you.
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:40 pm
by Risottia » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:43 pm
Katganistan wrote:English is not a broken language because there are millions of people across the world -- 1,500 million, with only 375 million being native speakers -- who manage to learn the rules and use it effectively.
by Sanctissima » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:43 pm
by Pasong Tirad » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:44 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Wow, I thought he was dead, but you've been keeping him under your.... hat all this time?
I wish I understood this reference and could come up with a witty reply, but I don't.Pasong Tirad wrote:How dare you.
From the man who thought Brutus was a sympathetic character who dindu nothin' and killed Caesar because he actually believed in the Republic rather than him just being a jaded ass who wanted petty revenge whilst pursuing his own megalomaniacal goals. There's a reason why Dante put him in the lowest level of Hell.
by Sovaal » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:45 pm
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:45 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:How dare you.
From the man who thought Brutus was a sympathetic character who dindu nothin' and killed Caesar because he actually believed in the Republic rather than him just being a jaded ass who wanted petty revenge whilst pursuing his own megalomaniacal goals. There's a reason why Dante put him in the lowest level of Hell.
by The Archregimancy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:46 pm
Luziyca wrote:Well, it may seem broken to some, but honestly, I'm sure that for generations, people have been saying the same goddamned thing about Chinese/French/Arabic/Latin/Greek/Aramaic/Akkadian/Sumerian/insert lingua-franca here.
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:48 pm
Risottia wrote:Katganistan wrote:English is not a broken language because there are millions of people across the world -- 1,500 million, with only 375 million being native speakers -- who manage to learn the rules and use it effectively.
One million and a half manage to use English to some effect, maybe.
One million and a half manage to learn its rules, HA! Ha. No. There's plenty of native Anglophones who butcher systematically what is supposed to be their own - and quite often, their only - language. The same happens with every other language on the planet, but with English it's often worse, given its horrible writing system (alphabetic but quite non-phonemic), the frequency of misused loanwords and idioms, and the abundance of dialects combined with the lack of a central language academy.
by Pasong Tirad » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:49 pm
Katganistan wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
From the man who thought Brutus was a sympathetic character who dindu nothin' and killed Caesar because he actually believed in the Republic rather than him just being a jaded ass who wanted petty revenge whilst pursuing his own megalomaniacal goals. There's a reason why Dante put him in the lowest level of Hell.
Um. You've misunderstood. Antony's repetition that Brutus is an honorable man so what he says bout Caesar's ambition must be true, while simultaneously lists all the ways in which Caesar was NOT ambitious and served the people, is basically the equivalent of "yeah, right!"
He's saying Brutus is NOT honorable, and that he's lying about the reasons Caesar was killed.
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:50 pm
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:51 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Luziyca wrote:Well, it may seem broken to some, but honestly, I'm sure that for generations, people have been saying the same goddamned thing about Chinese/French/Arabic/Latin/Greek/Aramaic/Akkadian/Sumerian/insert lingua-franca here.
Nam-/ĝuruš\ anše /kar\-ra-gin7 ḫaš2-ĝa2 ba-e-taka4!
by Sovaal » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:51 pm
Katganistan wrote:Sovaal wrote:MacBeth is the one most engrained in my head.
Just hope the curse doesn't apply to head plays.
It doesn't. It applies to actors mentioning the name of the play in a theater when not actually enacting before an audience.
Say it as much as you like, so long as you're not in a theater.
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:52 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Um. You've misunderstood. Antony's repetition that Brutus is an honorable man so what he says bout Caesar's ambition must be true, while simultaneously lists all the ways in which Caesar was NOT ambitious and served the people, is basically the equivalent of "yeah, right!"
He's saying Brutus is NOT honorable, and that he's lying about the reasons Caesar was killed.
BUT per their agreement, Mark Antony was not allowed to use this time to demean Brutus and the conspirators. So, while still honoring his agreement, he was able to get his way. It's just pure genius the way Shakespeare was able to write it down into Mark Antony's speech (which, from historical sources, was also supposed to be really good).
by Pasong Tirad » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:54 pm
by Risottia » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:54 pm
Katganistan wrote:Risottia wrote:
One million and a half manage to use English to some effect, maybe.
One million and a half manage to learn its rules, HA! Ha. No. There's plenty of native Anglophones who butcher systematically what is supposed to be their own - and quite often, their only - language. The same happens with every other language on the planet, but with English it's often worse, given its horrible writing system (alphabetic but quite non-phonemic), the frequency of misused loanwords and idioms, and the abundance of dialects combined with the lack of a central language academy.
Admit it. 'Weekend" is faster and means exactly the same as the French "le fin de semaine."
It's why they fought so hard so long to keep the French people from saying, "Le weekend."
by The Archregimancy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:56 pm
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:57 pm
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:01 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:Sovaal wrote:Does a movie theatre count?
Unless you're about to go up to the front of the theater and act, you're all good.
FUN FACT: Theater actors say "break a leg" before the show because it's supposed to be unlucky to wish them goodluck. At least, that's what we were told by our theater professors. Not sure if it's true (because a lot of us also kinda believe the urban legend that Heath Ledger died because he was far too deep into his Joker character).
by Sanctissima » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:02 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
I wish I understood this reference and could come up with a witty reply, but I don't.
From the man who thought Brutus was a sympathetic character who dindu nothin' and killed Caesar because he actually believed in the Republic rather than him just being a jaded ass who wanted petty revenge whilst pursuing his own megalomaniacal goals. There's a reason why Dante put him in the lowest level of Hell.
You mean the guy who's the second most translated English language author? Why, yes. just ignore the fact that lenin is on that list ok bye
Katganistan wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
From the man who thought Brutus was a sympathetic character who dindu nothin' and killed Caesar because he actually believed in the Republic rather than him just being a jaded ass who wanted petty revenge whilst pursuing his own megalomaniacal goals. There's a reason why Dante put him in the lowest level of Hell.
Um. You've misunderstood. Antony's repetition that Brutus is an honorable man so what he says bout Caesar's ambition must be true, while simultaneously lists all the ways in which Caesar was NOT ambitious and served the people, is basically the equivalent of "yeah, right!"
He's saying Brutus is NOT honorable, and that he's lying about the reasons Caesar was killed.
by Sovaal » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:02 pm
Katganistan wrote:Sovaal wrote:Does a movie theatre count?
Only if you really worry about superstitions and curses.
by Katganistan » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:05 pm
Risottia wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Admit it. 'Weekend" is faster and means exactly the same as the French "le fin de semaine."
It's why they fought so hard so long to keep the French people from saying, "Le weekend."
The problem is that people who pronounce "weekend" as /wi'kõ/ would be counted as "speaking English". Well, they bloody aren't. Just like those native speakers who use "their" in stead of "there", or "your" in stead of "you're".
by Risottia » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:07 pm
Katganistan wrote:And the folks who misuse there, their and they're as well as too and to as native speakers are speaking English. Just badly.
by Pasong Tirad » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:08 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:You mean the guy who's the second most translated English language author? Why, yes. just ignore the fact that lenin is on that list ok bye
Eh, popularity has little to do with quality. Justin Bieber was pretty much considered the pinnacle of the music industry not too long ago. I doubt you'd agree that he's a particularly good singer.
Sanctissima wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Um. You've misunderstood. Antony's repetition that Brutus is an honorable man so what he says bout Caesar's ambition must be true, while simultaneously lists all the ways in which Caesar was NOT ambitious and served the people, is basically the equivalent of "yeah, right!"
He's saying Brutus is NOT honorable, and that he's lying about the reasons Caesar was killed.
Yes, but he also gives Brutus a sympathetic and honourable death, and paints him as being a sympathetic character who genuinely believed in the sic semper tyrannus schtick. Also, considering how Antony is portrayed in the later play of his and Cleopatra's namesakes, I'm not convinced he was trying to portray him in a particularly endearing light in the funeral oration instance.
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