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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:58 am

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The US is silly.

We are. We really, really are. But then sometimes it makes sense. Like, it wouldn't make much sense for Montana to have deep-sea fishing regulations. But then you have laws like in Ohio, you can't go whaling on Sundays.


Well extremely large women are known as whales, so....
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:21 am

Sernarbia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:they don't mean Richard Spencer.
What they mean means the part where even a nazi has the right to freedom of speech.


Hate Speech is not covered by the FA. Neither is incitement to violence.


What country do you live in?

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:32 am

Telconi wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:because they've all used the same schematics. one that every scientist agrees "is neither atomically powered nor a rocket."
There's an easy solution to it. use another schematics to build a rocket.

"Why can't I reach 4 when I add 3 to 2? this guide says I should add 3 to 1, but I don't like the number 1. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong, I swear I've made the equation a million times now!"


So you're just another Socialist coming along and trying to sell your "But I alone know how to truly make socialism work! Line of garbage. What makes you better than Lenin, or Stalin, or Ho Chi Minh, or Mao, or Castro?

Ahhh another blinded capitalist another shot of vodka.

There are a number of functioning parts of socialist ideology that are in use in countries that haven't been dictatorships.
Public funding for roadworks, lighting and a ton of taxpayer programs are present in just about every single country in the world.
Public funded healthcare is also present in a huge number of well developed countries. Check out some of the South American countries beating the US.

Political ideology isn't a see saw where you go all-in on one thing and one thing only.
You can pick and choose bits.

But if you want to play dictator-did-a-boo-boo a great many countries had dictators that had strong capitalist leanings. And if you want to see some nasty stuff have a gander at some of the dirty laundry the United States has.

Not limited to but including overthrowing democratically elected leaders in order to install a US friendly dictator-puppet. Ever heard of Pinochet? And that was in 1973, we're not talking the early 1900s, but within many of our current lifetimes.
How about the CIA's operations in actively oppressing left-leaning activists? In which the CIA actively supported the kidnap, torture and murder-squads throughout the entire North/South Americas.

From the archives of terror
The "terror archives" listed 50,000 people murdered, 30,000 people disappeared and 400,000 people imprisoned.[2][3] They also revealed that other countries such as Colombia, Peru, and Venezuela cooperated, to various degrees, by providing intelligence information that had been requested by the security services of the Southern Cone countries. Some of these countries have used portions of the archives, now in Asunción's Palace of Justice, to prosecute former military officers. Much of the case built against General Pinochet by Spanish judge Baltasar Garzón was made using those archives. Dr. Almada, himself a victim of Condor, was twice interviewed by Baltasar Garzón.

That was pure cold-war ruthlessness part of the propaganda war on behalf of the Capitalists of the time. So don't try playing high and mighty about the cruelty of Stalin and Mao.
It's not something that is limited by political ideology, governments of any leaning may use cruelty to achieve their goals.

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Postby Sernarbia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:53 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Sernarbia wrote:
Hate Speech is not covered by the FA. Neither is incitement to violence.

Actually hate speech is covered by the First in places where hate speech isn't illegal, like Florida.


Suddenly this story makes a lot more sense.

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Postby Sernarbia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:54 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Sernarbia wrote:
Hate Speech is not covered by the FA. Neither is incitement to violence.


What country do you live in?


The Land of Mr Bean and bad dental hygiene.

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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:55 am

Sernarbia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
What country do you live in?


The Land of Mr Bean and bad dental hygiene.


That explains your wrong opinion on freeze peach. I'll leave you to your authoritarian island.

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Postby Sernarbia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:48 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Sernarbia wrote:
The Land of Mr Bean and bad dental hygiene.


That explains your wrong opinion on freeze peach. I'll leave you to your authoritarian island.


Bit rich coming from a country who's President wants to shut down news outlets critical of him.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:06 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Sernarbia wrote:
The Land of Mr Bean and bad dental hygiene.


That explains your wrong opinion on freeze peach. I'll leave you to your authoritarian island.


Remember, being able to deal with hate preachers and terrorist recruiters is authoritarian.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:19 am

Vassenor wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
That explains your wrong opinion on freeze peach. I'll leave you to your authoritarian island.


Remember, being able to deal with hate preachers and terrorist recruiters is authoritarian.

In the United States, I believe we are actually taking action against the latter.
Excluding that from your statement makes it completely true, however.
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Postby Anarcho capitalist utopia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:21 am

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The US is silly.

We are. We really, really are. But then sometimes it makes sense. Like, it wouldn't make much sense for Montana to have deep-sea fishing regulations. But then you have laws like in Ohio, you can't go whaling on Sundays.

Ikr? Fishing and hunting laws should be completely removed.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:22 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, being able to deal with hate preachers and terrorist recruiters is authoritarian.

In the United States, I believe we are actually taking action against the latter.
Excluding that from your statement makes it completely true, however.


Well, if you're fine with letting people radicalise each other...
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:In the United States, I believe we are actually taking action against the latter.
Excluding that from your statement makes it completely true, however.


Well, if you're fine with letting people radicalise each other...

It'll happen, legal or not.
Part of my confusion actually stems from the fact that we don't usually see the term "hate preacher" in the States, and it likely has a different definition from the UK meaning.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:28 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:We are. We really, really are. But then sometimes it makes sense. Like, it wouldn't make much sense for Montana to have deep-sea fishing regulations. But then you have laws like in Ohio, you can't go whaling on Sundays.

Ikr? Fishing and hunting laws should be completely removed.


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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:29 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:We are. We really, really are. But then sometimes it makes sense. Like, it wouldn't make much sense for Montana to have deep-sea fishing regulations. But then you have laws like in Ohio, you can't go whaling on Sundays.

Ikr? Fishing and hunting laws should be completely removed.

Not at all what I was saying, but okay.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:50 am

Anarcho capitalist utopia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:We are. We really, really are. But then sometimes it makes sense. Like, it wouldn't make much sense for Montana to have deep-sea fishing regulations. But then you have laws like in Ohio, you can't go whaling on Sundays.

Ikr? Fishing and hunting laws should be completely removed.

You have no care for the environment, and you are most certainly not a hunter nor a fisher, both of which are often the forefront of environmental efforts.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:06 am

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:


Of course not, but they've committed a whole slew of other crimes with little to no good things to show.

Show me the Antifa crime comparable to this:

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*I removed this picture for obvious reasons.*

If we can blame the alt-right for the death of Emmett Till, can we blame Antifa for the deaths of millions in Southeast Asia after the US left and the communists took over?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:06 am

Sernarbia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
That explains your wrong opinion on freeze peach. I'll leave you to your authoritarian island.


Bit rich coming from a country who's President wants to shut down news outlets critical of him.

What the president says and wants are different then what he does. We haven't shutdown any news outlets and people are still free to voice whatever they want
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:09 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Sernarbia wrote:
Bit rich coming from a country who's President wants to shut down news outlets critical of him.

What the president says and wants are different then what he does. We haven't shutdown any news outlets and people are still free to voice whatever they want


Personally speaking in spite of my own opinions on the Constitution, don't you find it a bit fucky that the President is calling for things that very clearly violate the Constitution?
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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:11 am

Blakk Metal wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Show me the Antifa crime comparable to this:

(Warning: Image may be disturbing to some readers)
*I removed this picture for obvious reasons.*

If we can blame the alt-right for the death of Emmett Till, can we blame Antifa for the deaths of millions in Southeast Asia after the US left and the communists took over?

What?

That's ridiculous. You're ridiculous.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:12 am

Blakk Metal wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Show me the Antifa crime comparable to this:

(Warning: Image may be disturbing to some readers)
*I removed this picture for obvious reasons.*

If we can blame the alt-right for the death of Emmett Till, can we blame Antifa for the deaths of millions in Southeast Asia after the US left and the communists took over?


If we're going that route, can we blame capitalists for 100 million deaths every five years for preventable diseases and famine?
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:12 am

Blakk Metal wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Show me the Antifa crime comparable to this:

(Warning: Image may be disturbing to some readers)
*I removed this picture for obvious reasons.*

If we can blame the alt-right for the death of Emmett Till, can we blame Antifa for the deaths of millions in Southeast Asia after the US left and the communists took over?

First off, what? Second, what?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:13 am

Torrocca wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What the president says and wants are different then what he does. We haven't shutdown any news outlets and people are still free to voice whatever they want


Personally speaking in spite of my own opinions on the Constitution, don't you find it a bit fucky that the President is calling for things that very clearly violate the Constitution?


Every president for the past 100 years has done that, tbh. It's status quo at this point.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:16 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Personally speaking in spite of my own opinions on the Constitution, don't you find it a bit fucky that the President is calling for things that very clearly violate the Constitution?


Every president for the past 100 years has done that, tbh. It's status quo at this point.

Not saying you're wrong, but has a president so blatantly and openly done it in the past 100 years?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:16 am

Torrocca wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:What the president says and wants are different then what he does. We haven't shutdown any news outlets and people are still free to voice whatever they want


Personally speaking in spite of my own opinions on the Constitution, don't you find it a bit fucky that the President is calling for things that very clearly violate the Constitution?

Remember W, Obama, Nixon, FDR, Wilson, Lincoln, and several others have said or done the same yet we still are able to speak our minds.

Do I like what Trump is saying? No. But I don't think he's special or a one off for saying it
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:19 am

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Every president for the past 100 years has done that, tbh. It's status quo at this point.

Not saying you're wrong, but has a president so blatantly and openly done it in the past 100 years?


FDR was far worse. Daily reminder he wanted to pack the Supreme Court with lackeys who would say anything he wanted to do was constitutional.
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