Baltimore to remove Confederate Monuments

[Vassenor]

And now apparently there is a movement in SC to get CSA flags flying in every courtroom.

Even without the baggage on the flag, answer me this: How many foreign nations get to have their flags flying inside a US courtroom?

[Ifreann]

And now apparently there is a movement in SC to get CSA flags flying in every courtroom.

This movement presumably also advocated for lawyers to wear their pants on their heads.

Even without the baggage on the flag, answer me this: How many foreign nations get to have their flags flying inside a US courtroom?

My guess would be none. Probably none.

[Nexus of All Realities]

And now apparently there is a movement in SC to get CSA flags flying in every courtroom.

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

[Salus Maior]

I Said it before, will say it again.

Yep

[Salus Maior]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

Not always.

[Alvecia]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

We going back to city states now boys.

[Nexus of All Realities]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

We going back to city states now boys.

Or, hell, kingdoms wouldn't be bad either.

[Ifreann]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

Nah, not worth it.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

There's damnatio memoriae and there's making an example of someone.
The latter is preferable to the former.

[The Remote Islands]

And now apparently there is a movement in SC to get CSA flags flying in every courtroom.

Even without the baggage on the flag, answer me this: How many foreign nations get to have their flags flying inside a US courtroom?

Foreign language classes would likely have French flags for French, Spanish/Mexican flags for Spanish, etc. If these guys really need relief for their Confedeboner, they should try and get the school boards to recognize Southern American English as a separate language.

Which won't happen, but don't tell them that.

[Krasny-Volny]

History should never be tossed.

Considering a good lot of them were placed simply to intimidate black people I think it's safe to say that this part of history in particular doesn't need to be preserved to its fullest extent. Besides, you don't need to save every last statue (especially when they were produced en masse) to tell the story of the South, slavery, Jim Crow, Civil Rights movement, etc.

There's a Confederate statue in the town I live in that includes the names of the people who died from the town during the Civil War. I think it's more a memorial to the dead than an act of intimidation against black people (the county is majority Native American and racially mixed rather than white or black BTW).

I think the statues erected as memorials to the dead in small towns like mine where a lot of the locals are descended from these soldiers is acceptable. But in a big city like Baltimore without the same explicit local connotations they do seem more inappropriate.

[USS Monitor]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

I support Southern independence if you guys want to leave peacefully and with no major human rights violations, but not the way the Confederacy tried to do it in the 1860s, and it's rather foolish to think just putting a border between people will stop culture clash. Even if you create separate countries, you still have international relations to worry about.

When it comes to the Civil War, I don't believe that letting the South go would have led to a peaceful resolution. It would have been like Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement toward Hitler, just kicking the can down the road, but we'd still have to deal with it eventually. The Confederate cause wasn't just white supremacist -- it was also Southern supremacist. All that Confederate propaganda saying that a Southerner was supposed to have the fighting strength of 3 Yankees -- that's racial supremacist propaganda implying Yankees are a separate (inferior) race. The fact that Yankees are white doesn't change the nature of the propaganda. Jews are also white, but we still recognize antisemitism as a style of racism. It's the same idea.

It's not politically stable to have two countries sharing a border when one country believes the other is a genetically inferior subhuman race.

[Vassenor]

And now apparently there is a movement in SC to get CSA flags flying in every courtroom.

Even without the baggage on the flag, answer me this: How many foreign nations get to have their flags flying inside a US courtroom?

Foreign language classes would likely have French flags for French, Spanish/Mexican flags for Spanish, etc. If these guys really need relief for their Confedeboner, they should try and get the school boards to recognize Southern American English as a separate language.

Which won't happen, but don't tell them that.

...what does that have to do with courtrooms?

[USS Monitor]

Considering a good lot of them were placed simply to intimidate black people I think it's safe to say that this part of history in particular doesn't need to be preserved to its fullest extent. Besides, you don't need to save every last statue (especially when they were produced en masse) to tell the story of the South, slavery, Jim Crow, Civil Rights movement, etc.

There's a Confederate statue in the town I live in that includes the names of the people who died from the town during the Civil War. I think it's more a memorial to the dead than an act of intimidation against black people (the county is majority Native American and racially mixed rather than white or black BTW).

I think the statues erected as memorials to the dead in small towns like mine where a lot of the locals are descended from these soldiers is acceptable. But in a big city like Baltimore without the same explicit local connotations they do seem more inappropriate.

It should be a local decision.

[Thermodolia]

Considering a good lot of them were placed simply to intimidate black people I think it's safe to say that this part of history in particular doesn't need to be preserved to its fullest extent. Besides, you don't need to save every last statue (especially when they were produced en masse) to tell the story of the South, slavery, Jim Crow, Civil Rights movement, etc.

There's a Confederate statue in the town I live in that includes the names of the people who died from the town during the Civil War. I think it's more a memorial to the dead than an act of intimidation against black people (the county is majority Native American and racially mixed rather than white or black BTW).

I think the statues erected as memorials to the dead in small towns like mine where a lot of the locals are descended from these soldiers is acceptable. But in a big city like Baltimore without the same explicit local connotations they do seem more inappropriate.

Memorials to war dead should not be messed with. Only the statues of the confederate leadership should come down and they should remain intact. If a monument cannot be safely removed without severely damaging it, it should stay.

[Vassenor]

There's a Confederate statue in the town I live in that includes the names of the people who died from the town during the Civil War. I think it's more a memorial to the dead than an act of intimidation against black people (the county is majority Native American and racially mixed rather than white or black BTW).

I think the statues erected as memorials to the dead in small towns like mine where a lot of the locals are descended from these soldiers is acceptable. But in a big city like Baltimore without the same explicit local connotations they do seem more inappropriate.

Memorials to war dead should not be messed with. Only the statues of the confederate leadership should come down and they should remain intact. If a monument cannot be safely removed without severely damaging it, it should stay.

What about moving memorials to the places where the individuals listed are actually interred? (If possible)

[Genivaria]

And now apparently there is a movement in SC to get CSA flags flying in every courtroom.

Even without the baggage on the flag, answer me this: How many foreign nations get to have their flags flying inside a US courtroom?

Foreign language classes would likely have French flags for French, Spanish/Mexican flags for Spanish, etc. If these guys really need relief for their Confedeboner, they should try and get the school boards to recognize Southern American English as a separate language.

Which won't happen, but don't tell them that.

....so the answer is zero.

[Genivaria]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

In which case if Texas decided to leave the US as a loyal American I would be obligated to make war upon the traitors in the Texan government.
Also is removing me from my country without my permission considering kidnapping?

[Thermodolia]

Memorials to war dead should not be messed with. Only the statues of the confederate leadership should come down and they should remain intact. If a monument cannot be safely removed without severely damaging it, it should stay.

What about moving memorials to the places where the individuals listed are actually interred? (If possible)

We are better off not moving any memorials to war dead.

[Thermodolia]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

In which case if Texas decided to leave the US as a loyal American I would be obligated to make war upon the traitors in the Texan government.
Also is removing me from my country without my permission considering kidnapping?

Yup

[Nexus of All Realities]

This is why separatist movements everywhere should be allowed to succeed and secede, cultural clashes can end.

In which case if Texas decided to leave the US as a loyal American I would be obligated to make war upon the traitors in the Texan government.
Also is removing me from my country without my permission considering kidnapping?

I guess your permission extends as far as the majority in Texas allows. It would be your decision to make war upon 'traitors'*.

*That sounds so much like the military mindset that I can't stand, even in some people whom I care about.

Too much of the south is not what it used to be anyway. Seceding would be pointless now, thanks so much.

[Krasny-Volny]

Memorials to war dead should not be messed with. Only the statues of the confederate leadership should come down and they should remain intact. If a monument cannot be safely removed without severely damaging it, it should stay.

What about moving memorials to the places where the individuals listed are actually interred? (If possible)

Well in the case I referenced (and no doubt a lot of other small Southern towns as well) it's difficult because most of the deceased named at the memorial statue are scattered across multiple war cemeteries both in and out of state. There is no local Confederate cemetery per se where all these soldiers were interred after the war.

The memorial in the town is the closest thing we have to that.

[Greater Sahul]

Reconstruction should have lasted a lot longer. These monuments only sprung up in the decades afterwards, when the social, political and economic power of black people showed signs of rising. They're for the most part shrines to white insecurity.