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Postby Sovaal » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. Compared to the only remotely viable political alternatives, the GOP, the Greens, and the Libertarians, they are.

2. Compared to market socialism in a social democracy, sure, but compared to the corporate police state advocated by Republicans and Libertarians, they're objectively better.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But muh trickle down economics

by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.


You could also refer to them as "supply side" economics, or economic policy and thought that favors suppliers over customers, in the belief that by helping, promoting, and defending suppliers in the market, the wealth will "trickle down" to consumers.
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Postby Charnea » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 pm

Jesus Christ alive


 3 years, 5 months, 15 days, 20 hours and 28 minutes left in Trump's first term


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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But muh trickle down economics

by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.


Tax cuts and deregulation for the rich with the hope that they'll create new jobs and, therefore, their wealth will trickle down.

Except past a certain point the cost of expanding the business outweigh the benefits of just doing shitty things to the consumer.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What human rights has Trump violated outside of foreign actions?

He cozies up with human rights violators, does that count?


Ah yes, not like we haven't cozied up with dictators and places like Saudi Arabia long before Trump.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Time for more shitposting, am I right?

It's the only reason why MAGAthreads get to 500 pages so fast.
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Postby The of Japan » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
1. Compared to the only remotely viable political alternatives, the GOP, the Greens, and the Libertarians, they are.

2. Compared to market socialism in a social democracy, sure, but compared to the corporate police state advocated by Republicans and Libertarians, they're objectively better.

FTFY

how are the democrats superior in human rights? they support overreaching restrictions on speech and other rights.

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Postby Ism » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But muh trickle down economics

by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.


Basically, if you cut taxes, the economy will grow, and it will grow to the point where the lost revenue from taxation will be made up for in new economic growth.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:He cozies up with human rights violators, does that count?


Ah yes, not like we haven't cozied up with dictators and places like Saudi Arabia long before Trump.

They're all guilty then.
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Postby Steffan » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:02 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But muh trickle down economics

by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.

Its a theory that goes like this: give the wealthy tax cuts and let them hold onto their wealth, then they will invest that wealth in their business. Their business will grow, wages will improve, more jobs will be created. Thus the wealth from the top 'trickles down'. There are definately better definitions than that, but that's the gist of it.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:03 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:FTFY

how are the democrats superior in human rights? they support overreaching restrictions on speech and other rights.


People on their party support that shit, not the Party itself.

That's an important distinction to make and one I feel not many bother making.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:03 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The of Japan wrote:by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.


Tax cuts and deregulation for the rich with the hope that they'll create new jobs and, therefore, their wealth will trickle down.

Except past a certain point the cost of expanding the business outweigh the benefits of just doing shitty things to the consumer.


See, this is why we should do tax cuts and deregulation across the board.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:03 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Sovaal wrote:FTFY

how are the democrats superior in human rights? they support overreaching restrictions on speech and other rights.


Such as?
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:03 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Down with moderator tyranny!


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Hey, man, at least I tried.

Entitled metal plated ships, Ol' Ironsides did that without your heretical plating.

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Postby The of Japan » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:03 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The of Japan wrote:how are the democrats superior in human rights? they support overreaching restrictions on speech and other rights.


People on their party support that shit, not the Party itself.

That's an important distinction to make and one I feel not many bother making.

one of whom was their candidate as well

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The of Japan wrote:how are the democrats superior in human rights? they support overreaching restrictions on speech and other rights.


People on their party support that shit, not the Party itself.

That's an important distinction to make and one I feel not many bother making.

I'm not even sure what the Democrats even stand for any more
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
People on their party support that shit, not the Party itself.

That's an important distinction to make and one I feel not many bother making.

I'm not even sure what the Democrats even stand for any more


A Better Motto :p
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Tax cuts and deregulation for the rich with the hope that they'll create new jobs and, therefore, their wealth will trickle down.

Except past a certain point the cost of expanding the business outweigh the benefits of just doing shitty things to the consumer.


See, this is why we should do tax cuts and deregulation across the board.


Deregulating small businesses I can see making sense, deregulating corporate-level America just seems like a major no-no.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 pm

You know, the nice thing about the Trump administrations is I think we can now safely say that the whole Roswell thing was bullshit. There's no way Trump could have kept quiet about that for this long.
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Postby The of Japan » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 pm

Ism wrote:
The of Japan wrote:by the way, what is trickle down economics? I always hear it, but I never knew the definition.


Basically, if you cut taxes, the economy will grow, and it will grow to the point where the lost revenue from taxation will be made up for in new economic growth.

I'm pretty sure that is not the definition from what I heard from others.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
People on their party support that shit, not the Party itself.

That's an important distinction to make and one I feel not many bother making.

I'm not even sure what the Democrats even stand for any more


Same could be said for Republicans, tbqh.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:05 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
People on their party support that shit, not the Party itself.

That's an important distinction to make and one I feel not many bother making.

I'm not even sure what the Democrats even stand for any more


Probably because they're an opposition party in not-campaign mode?

What did Republicans stand for in 09, again?
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Postby Sovaal » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:05 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
Ah yes, not like we haven't cozied up with dictators and places like Saudi Arabia long before Trump.

They're all guilty then.

Pretty much every global power is guilty.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'm not even sure what the Democrats even stand for any more


A Better Motto :p


Better motto, better politicians, and better mascot.

Republicans should, too, be thinking about these things, all things considered :p
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:06 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'm not even sure what the Democrats even stand for any more


Same could be said for Republicans, tbqh.

They both stand for political oligarchy.
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